Had a problem with the 430 tonight... what do you think?

What's the manual say about the E-diff light coming on? Sounds like some kind of overheating issue.

 

my wild guess would be that the hydraulic pump that operates the F1 gearbox, clutch and Ediff overheated - it will come on periodically to maintain pressure - sitting there 15min idling is a long time - the pump is known to cause some trouble; however I might be biased because I am worried about the complexity of that system

if the hydraulic system fails it would explain that the car stalls at pickup - it also would explain the ediff error - an over heated motor would explain the smell

nevertheless I would not let my 430 idle for 15min ...

 

well it was 100 degrees and that could be a little rough with just windows open no?

 

Have you had the F1 campaign done. If not take it in. That will cause what you described.

 

In the 360 shop manual, with regard to the gear box, it says "In case of severe system failure, which would not ensure a safe driving of the car, the engine stop is requested if the vehicle is at a standstill or running at a speed below 15 km/h." This sounds like your case - i.e. the F1 ECU requested an engine stop.

If I had to take a wild guess, I would say the heat build up from the engine and outside temp probably resulted hydraulic system getting too hot. That could (might) have caused the line pressure to increase to a level where it caused the system to shut down. Just a guess.

Generally speaking, it's not a good idea to let any car idle for that long, let alone a street driven race car. I always turn my car off if it looks like I'm going to be sitting for more than a minute or two in line, etc.

The shop manual also mentions that "if the car is not started even if the starter motor works and no request for motor stop is stored by the engine ECU, this means that the problem is not caused by the gear-shift system". That appears to indicate that if a motor stop request was made, then it would have been stored in the ECU. If that is the case, you could probably have your dealer read the ECU code. I have a reference here for ECU codes, let me check that.

Looks like error code P1586 or P1587 (as shown on the SD2) would be the code signaling an engine stop request from the F1 Gearbox ECU. You may also be able to read that code off an ODBII reader, but I don't know for sure, since I have never tried one on my car.

I wonder also... perhaps if the cat(s) over heated at idle, maybe the cat ECU's would cause the engine not to start until the temp went down - sort of along the lines of the "slow down" light when you drive the car too hard.

BTW, this information is from the 360 manual, not the F430 - but I figure it would be very similar.

Ray

 

What F1 campaign?

 

is your 430 a euro? and did you engage the parking brake before you put it into nuetural? (exuse my grammer) because then you may have had a slight wheel spin which could cause one of the wheel bearings to get chewed up making the traction control confused. some other questions, what position was your mannitino in? and was your battery charged? do you let your car sit in the garage for long periods of time? if so how often do you drive it?

 

Huh?

 

sorry, i thought i was cool for a second acting like a doctor or something, but a couple more questions, how many miles do you have on the car and do you have service regularly done? if so what have you gotten done?

 

is there a new f1 430 service campaign issue ????

 

I think he is talking about the f1 problem that stopped production for a week 6 months ago. the gear box on few cars exploded

 

If you VIN # has a "144" in it the F1 software needs to be updated at the dealer. If you have brought you car into the dealer in the last 7 months they would/should update any ongoing campaigns. It is not a recall and they will not contact you. It is just something they do when you bring the car in for any service etc.

 

Almost every single serious problem we have, and almost every single, on the road break down we have with F1 systems are people experiencing an event or having a warning light trigger and continue driving the car. The car should be in the dealership service department. It is under warranty, let it be their problem.



430 and 360 systems are quite different. Few comparisons can be made.

The SD2 does not use P codes.

Long periods of idle will not cause excessive hyd pressures unless there is a failure of the pressure sensors.

Long periods of idle should not cause overheating of any of the systems. During servicing periods of idle far longer than 15 minutes are often encountered.

 

How long did you wait before going into neutral? I'm not entirely sure how each part of the F1/hydraulic system is managed by the ECU, but I'm wondering if it could be some sort of clutch issue/overheating. As I say, I don't know exactly how it all works, but if you hold the car in gear on just the brake pedal, presumably the clutch is still engaged/or at least trying to engage, and possibly it could be the automated clutch or part of its mechanism that has overheated.

 

I have had the same problem, slow speed or stop for some long period, then E-Diff Red light goes ON, Engine dies, wait a bit, get embarassed, look like an idiot for a while people look at you funny, then it starts up and off ya go. 06-430 VIN 145450

 

Has this problem happened only once?

 

I believe that the problem is there in those two sentences.

How long was the car idling, while in gear?

It's not the idling bit that causes the problem, but the length of time the car was in gear before 'double-paddling' into neutral.

I only have 360 experience, but I would imagine that the hydraulic pump and circuits in the 430 are similar, and you are strongly advised against remaining in gear, even at busy intersections, for more than a few minutes, because the F1 systems overheats.

 

Ditto that.