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Curious about 355 rattles and their sounds.

Discussion in '348/355' started by recoil, Feb 1, 2008.

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  1. recoil

    recoil Formula Junior

    Sep 7, 2007
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    What does the exhaust rattle sound like to you?

    Because I haven't heard anyone else's 355, I don't know a "normal rattle" from a potentially bad one. For about 5-10 minutes, after a cold start, I can hear what sounds like an old 1974 Honda making a U turn with bad CV joints (clickity-clickity-clickity). It's not very loud.

    I only hear it at idle. After it warms up, it goes away. I haven't tried using a scope to find the source of it yet.

    Steve
     
  2. ronrob

    ronrob Formula Junior

    Jan 15, 2007
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    Steve,

    Diagnosing other people's rattles is almost as difficult as diagnosing my own. After using a stethoscope I believe that mine (on my 1997 355) which is more a clickety-click (as you mention) comes from the left tensioner. It disappears after a few minutes of warm up. The sound is a bit like cracking walnuts. You might keep this in mind when you try to source your noise. If you are interested, a search of the forum will give you the range of views on the relative importance of this noise. If I remember correctly, one member came up with the rather clever idea of heating the JUST the area around the tensioner with a hair dryer or similar to help the diagnostic.

    Good luck with the chase,
    Ron
     
  3. f355spider

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    Steve,
    That is usually the infamous exhaust bypass valve. As the car (valve) heats up, the metal expands, taking up the "slop" in the valve bearing and reduces the rattle noise. Eventually you will hear the noise all the time. You can adjust the valve to get rid of the rattle.
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179962
     
  4. mpodgor

    mpodgor Formula Junior

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    Well on my 355 the rattle got progressivly worse over time. Until the check engine light came on. Then it turned out to be a bad cat. 6 months after the left side it happened again. I knew it had to be a cat. Sure enough, the right side was self destructing as they love to do. Probably the #1 problem on these cars. Other than that it's a solid car. As far as rattles go. Good luck. Keep uis posted. I'm curious if that's the problem.
     
  5. Llenroc

    Llenroc F1 Rookie
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    If it sounds like it is coming from the front of the engine it could be a collapsed tensioner, they are like a small shock absorber. When the engine warms up the heat causes it to extend out again. When it is collapsed it rattles on itself (sorry lack of a better way to describe it) The distance is only a few mm. Regards, Vern
     
  6. jetfixr

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    +1
     
  7. recoil

    recoil Formula Junior

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    If it's a tensioner, what's involved with the fix?

    Steve
     
  8. Gershwin

    Gershwin F1 Veteran

    Feb 21, 2005
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    I've found the click, click, click may be headers the jingling sound sounds more like bypass valve...but that and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee because I'm just a driver.
     
  9. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    I would try and isolate the noise first, before you worry about that...(I don't think you want to know) ;)
     
  10. recoil

    recoil Formula Junior

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    Def sounds like it's coming from the front of the engine. I warmed the car up yesterday until it went away and had a most enjoyable, spirited ride. Best 40 miles in a long time. I swear this thing is getting faster and more fun every time I drive it!
     
  11. billyfitness

    billyfitness Formula Junior

    Feb 14, 2006
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    I have a slight rattle too when I 'punch' on the exhaust tips when cold and at 2200rpm oly, (it's favorite tune).
    Maybe an exhaust mount? I'll find it when the bumper comes off to put on hyperflows.
    -Billy
     
  12. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    The great majority of rattles are either the exhaust valve or heat shields on the Y pipe.
     
  13. Merdav

    Merdav Formula Junior

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    First and foremost dont as much as start the car again, if it's a collapsed tensioner the timing belt could skip and bend the whole bank of valves. To replace it the engine must come out, the parts cheap the labor is expensive, and the timing belts must also be replaces as they cannot be REtensioned once they are removed. Don't ask how I know all this.....
     
  14. jetfixr

    jetfixr Formula 3

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    After thorough research I have discovered that a set of test pipes, headers, upper cat bypass and challenge straight pipes are installed no noises are heard..

    This greatly reduces Ferrari ownership cost.
     
  15. recoil

    recoil Formula Junior

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    Had a friend look over the car with me (haven't put it on a lift yet). We noticed that as we would let out the clutch with the brake on, the rattle would get much louder/worse. The engine would bog down a bit (naturally) but the rattle got worse. Could that still be a tensioner?

    It'll go on a lift in the next couple of weeks hopefully. I just want to err on the side of caution.

    Steve
     

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