The coolest stocking stuffer around

I have heard that in order to use an SD3 you must subscribe to a software service through Ferrari at a substantial cost. The software that is loaded on the unit has an expiration date, after that date the software will not work and the unit will cease to function. You must update the software through Ferrari in order for it to work again. Is this true or is it a Ferrari tale to keep independents from buying one?

 

With Big E., no stone will ever be left unturned. Whatever steps or equipment it takes to do the best possible job for his client, will be taken or used. He is quite simply "the Toscanini" of Ferrari service.

 

SD1, SD2, and SD3 testers on the premises is all fine and dandy.

ASE A1, M1 (certified cylinder head specialist), M2 (certified block specialist).

Now THOSE are worth mentioning!

Eugenio, the MD of Ferrari's.


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Rick (LAgated360)

 

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LOL!!!! That was funny! But scary as to how it is sort of close to the truth.

 

Thanks for the heads up!

I'm Ferrari factory trained & certified with over 2.5 decades of experience and own Ferrari sistima diagnosi equipment as well...

I am however always looking for a good machinist.

 

Mine shows pcodes.
What software version do you have Brian? I have 1.026, maybe you need an update?

 

Awesome Device! What about the 99 F355 using OBD2 type connection? What machine would be required to get into it's computer and are these available anywhere? Being a bit old now someone might have one for sale somewhere or a buisness might be closing shop?

I could use one in my stocking! ;P)

Ciao,

Stanislaus

 

St05 no match for the SD.

Let me give you an example. On an SD, you can plot the pressure graph (sine wave) of the F1 pump cycling, IOW, a sine wave hi to low with x and y lines and in real time.
No way your st05 does that. Am I correct?

Another one, the sto5 screen is about 1/4 the size of a SD3 screen. Am I correct?

 

No argument on the restrictions of the ST05, certainly the screen is a difficult read, it is annoying to not be able to switch screens easily, it returns to the opening diagnosis page. It does not do many things that the SD3/2 can, but it does allow a shop to carry out more repairs on the later models which would not be feasible without a scanner.

When I can justify/afford better, I will get something, my market here is small compared the big cities 250 miles or so away.....

 

Why the hell are these things so expensive?? I mean, this isn't any technically sophisticated product, it's a bunch of microcontrollers that reads values out of a memory in the car, am I right? I can't believe that the protocol they're using for the transmission of the data can't be reverse-engineered....

 

+1 ?? And, it seems the "rumor" is they require a "subscription" to FNA (Italy?) in order to be kept "alive"....

I'm sure others more knowledgeable than I will jump in, but the "protocol" is, I believe, "open and standard" - The "CAN" bus. However, the first "issue" I encountered is "standard" is a *very* lose term in this case [The CAN bus is available @ the OBDII port btw.]

However, it's not just "reading memory" - Realtime display (and modification) of the "brains" in the car - This sucker is a *lot* more than a "reader".....

And, have you seen the wiring loom that comes with it!? - M/f'er's do not want to make reverse engineering it "trivial". It could be done, but at what cost?

My 02c,
Cheers,
Ian

 

Good stuff folks, good stuff.


CAN Line, proprietary ECU's, limited production, controlled distribution, etc. That is why the SD3 is expensive.

This is a shop tool that generates revenue by offering faster diagnosis and therefore greater throughput of customer cars. With F430's stamped out like cookies in Italy, there are TONS of these cars now requiring out-of-warranty service. An independent shop that doesn't seriously consider an SD3 or similar tool is most certainly closing the door on a large number of potential customers.

 

Brian,

Get in touch with Daniel for a hook up.

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If it's CAN and not some proprietary encrypted protocol, than it shouldn't be too difficult to get at least the basic (reading) functions, even if it's a loose interpretation of the standard. I myself have spent several nights trying to include a "standard" CAN device in a larger application, it IS a load of work, and figuring out what the data actually does would be much much more work ... but if one of those things costs over 20k, you might as well hire someone to reverse engineer it for the cost of a couple of them - and then build as much as you want, the hardware and assembly cost can hardly be in the 3 figure range!

 

Nice Pickup E!


Should look good next to the SD2

Now I gotta get a model that your SD's can plug in to

..........some day
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Good point

Certificates are important. And I know M1 and M2 certs are not held by many.

Congratulations to "E" for obtaining them
Here's a pic I snagged from "E"'s website, hope he doesn't mine.
If he gets upset, I'll just blame it on Hank
If Hank gets pissed, I'll point the blame to .......ummm.....BigD
BigD wont get pissed, I fix his watches
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I like the steering wheel on the CS! I've heard 'E' does great work as well - from that CS owner.

 

Chris

if you buy a lowly starter F355 like me, then E can plug in his SD1.....then.....you can graduate to the SD2 later !
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Those ASE certs. are held by many automotive machinists in the industry.

Ferrari factory certs are held by factory trained Ferrari technicians... does the technician who works on your car have them???

 

Wow, didn’t take you long to respond. Must be slow in your shop.

LMAO! Factory cert’s. You’re joking right? I can’t stop laughing. I heard if you basically stay awake in class you get the factory cert.
That’s why dealer service is so poor.

I can’t stop laughing….that was a good one.

 

"Wow", ditto on the response...

The work load in and out of the shop is good, no complaints here.

Factory certs. are a joke??? You must be referring to ASE certs., or at least I hope so... What you "heard" and what you know are two entirely different things. Poor dealer service is usually the result of poor management. I have worked for several Ferrari dealers, independents, race teams and collecters in the last three decades.

When you finally stop laughing, do yourself a favor and check to see if your mystery tech. is actually qualified to work on a Ferrari.

On a side note, don't stop LYAO it's healthy and it keeps a smile on your face.

 

Daniel- Any hint on how much these things are? ST05s ~$15K, SD2s ~$25K, SD3?

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Between the SD1 and SD2 number you quoted.

 

So all those nuts and bolts left loose, scratches on people’s cars, parts missing, capacities underfilled, items missing out of people’s cars (i.e. tool kits), etc., that was all the managers doing?

I need some of that Ganja Weed you’re smoking.

In your profile you claim 25 years.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/member.php?u=34235

How did you get to 30 years (3 decades) overnight? ( you like to use decades alot, but unfortunately, decades are vague ... decades here, decades there, decades everywhere )

 

Obviously it appears that the work described above was performed by a non qualified technician who most likely doesn't possess Ferrari factory certs.

Yes the manager is responsible for employing and allowing various individuals to work on, drive, wash, park and deliver your car. this is true regardless of weather he is running a dealership or an independent shop.

In my profile I claim "over 2.5 decades", that translates to over 25 years.

I have been a professional mechanic since 1978, The first automotive shop I worked in professionally was in 1981.
1981 to 2008 = 27 years, that is "over 2.5 decades" or over 25 years.

I never claimed 30 years???... I claim over 2.5 decades.

Decades are not vague, they are 10 year blocks of time...

Looks like you've been smoking way too much of that "Ganja Weed" :{D (I personally don't touch the stuff)


Guy,

Just out of curiosity, what model Ferrari or Ferrari's do you currently own? Who is the technician that works on your Ferrari or Ferrari's? What are his or her credentials???

Also, what is your profession and how long have you been employed at it?

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Thanks,
Adam