Ferrari 365 P Paris Motor Show 1966

Yes, my recollection was that Keeney's (and his predecessor) car was 8815, but was afraid to trust my memory and too lazy to look it up. The interesting thing is that both Bud and the earlier owner (whose name is lost in the mists of time) thought it was based on a P-car chassis. I'm pretty sure the engine was bigger that a 275, having had a wild ride in it. Ah well!

 

Ed, we spoke on the phone in the 1970s-later 70s??-about this car! It was "known" as the "365 PB{Posti Berlinetta}Speciale..."

It came originally with-as was told me by one of the builders-either a 210 or a 211 mill, it got swapped out after repeated head gasket fiascos in attempts to rebuild it with 213 head gaskets! (they will sort of be OK in 1, but NOT the other, as it turns out-the memory thing which you reference afflicts us all, I'm sorry to report!).
Subsequent USA attempts at trying to "make it work", resulted in scurrulous rumors of a motor swap, using a butchered 245...ALL unconfirmed. Current configuration is unknowm to me.
I had chased this car for 3 years(!) with a staggering amont OK'd as a purchase ceiling-I could've bought Stu Baumgart's old GTO{the one with harrak's LM motor in it...} more than 3 times, based on the allowable limit!!!!
Despite all my/the efforts, I caught up to the car 3-6 months subsequent to Bud's heart attack, and lost track of it until recently{3 yrs?}...
It is now in-costwise-"P car" altitudes currently...as is the p2/3...but wait-IT IS A P CAR....

 

Hi,

It seems you might be able to comment on my article, especially about the P chassis. Please feel free to make any corrections or additions. Thanks.

p.s. the last thing I know about 8971 is that it is still owned by Chinetti Jr. 8815 is somewhere in Asia.
View attachment The Ferrari and Fiat Dino show cars part 2.doc

 

Isn't 8791 now in the Simeone Museum: http://timeout.watchprosite.com/?show=forumpost&fi=686&pi=3819371&ti=609546 ?

Love the Brockbank cartoon, which I still have somewhere.

 

Here it is.
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[QUOTELove the Brockbank cartoon, which I still have somewhere.[/QUOTE]

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Two versions almost at the same moment.

 

Thank you ! A particular delight of this cartoon is the range of scenarios one might imagine.

 

If I remember correctly, Chinetti's were silver in colour correct?

 

No, Chinetti's was always white. Agnelli's started out as silver and was resprayed at least to black, red and now silver again.

 

Isn't the actual car now located somewhere in the northeast USA?

 

Ah yes, I mean Agnelli's. Thank you for the correction, bigodino.

This was the one that had american licence plates, and black stripes on its flanks, isn't it?

 

John Mecum owned one of these. I thought it was the Chinetti car. It was stored at International Motorcars for a while at some point in the early 80's and I remember sitting in it.

 

Here are some pictures of s/n 8815. It was indeed once owned by Mecom (so not the Chinetti car, which is s/n 8971).
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There may have been 3 cars.

 

Possible, but not too likely...
there were just not that many of these things made..and, they "re-cycled" them as many times as they could get away with it prior to true wind tunel modeling and implementation of moncoque/semi-monocoque chassis construction...
I've been sniffing around these two cars for decades and I would've heard of any strays out in the bushes....
FWIW...both cars are-as of a couple of years ago-within a couple of hundred miles from each other!
ciao!

 

The white car is the Chinetti car.


The silver and the red car are the same one, the rear fin was added by pininfarina.
this car was owned by Mr. Mecom #8815

The black car is the one is the unknown car. It has texas plates. I believe Mr Mecom owened it also.

 

In the pictures posted by Bigodino, the silver car on the lawn has no fuel filler exposed, and the picture right next to it which appears to be the same car, does. Very strange.

 

Hi Wayne,

The third link you provide is directing to Telaio and won't be visible I guess to regular members. It does have an extensive picture based comparison between old and later pictures of the white car by yours trully. Is it possible to copy and past those posts here?
If not I'll try to do them over in this thread.

Best, Peter

 

nope, no access.

 

On the silver car filler cap. Look at the wiper, the photo is reversed.

 

I thought that might be the case, and it may. I did notice that at least one of the other photos also shows the wiper blade parked on the opposite side. I figured being able to zoom into the PF logo would answer if that's the case or not. To my eyes the logo kind of looks correct.

 

I have a Classic & Sportscar article on these cars from the early 1990s if anyone wants me to scan it in? It has photos of the Agnelli car in different colour schemes over the years too. Not sure about copyright issues with posting it up here but I could always email it.