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Ferrari 365 P Paris Motor Show 1966

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  1. bigodino

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    No, Chinetti's was always white. Agnelli's started out as silver and was resprayed at least to black, red and now silver again.
     
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    Isn't the actual car now located somewhere in the northeast USA?
     
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    Ah yes, I mean Agnelli's. Thank you for the correction, bigodino.

    This was the one that had american licence plates, and black stripes on its flanks, isn't it?
     
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    John Mecum owned one of these. I thought it was the Chinetti car. It was stored at International Motorcars for a while at some point in the early 80's and I remember sitting in it.
     
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    There may have been 3 cars.
     
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    Possible, but not too likely...
    there were just not that many of these things made..and, they "re-cycled" them as many times as they could get away with it prior to true wind tunel modeling and implementation of moncoque/semi-monocoque chassis construction...
    I've been sniffing around these two cars for decades and I would've heard of any strays out in the bushes....
    FWIW...both cars are-as of a couple of years ago-within a couple of hundred miles from each other!
    ciao!
     
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    The white car is the Chinetti car.


    The silver and the red car are the same one, the rear fin was added by pininfarina.
    this car was owned by Mr. Mecom #8815

    The black car is the one is the unknown car. It has texas plates. I believe Mr Mecom owened it also.
     
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    I believe that we established that the black car is also 8815. An F-Chat regular (who is now deceased) was a caretaker of Mecom's collection back in the day. I'll have to search for the old thread.
     
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    In the pictures posted by Bigodino, the silver car on the lawn has no fuel filler exposed, and the picture right next to it which appears to be the same car, does. Very strange.
     
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    Here are some of our old discussions. Fuel-fillers, vents, etc were all discussed at the time. The two threads from the old board start at the bottom of the page and read upward.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/228774.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/256608.html

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185187


    A couple of less-relevant threads on the 365 P cars:

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=181091

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233185
     
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    Hi Wayne,

    The third link you provide is directing to Telaio and won't be visible I guess to regular members. It does have an extensive picture based comparison between old and later pictures of the white car by yours trully. Is it possible to copy and past those posts here?
    If not I'll try to do them over in this thread.

    Best, Peter
     
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    nope, no access.
     
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    On the silver car filler cap. Look at the wiper, the photo is reversed.
     
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    I thought that might be the case, and it may. I did notice that at least one of the other photos also shows the wiper blade parked on the opposite side. I figured being able to zoom into the PF logo would answer if that's the case or not. To my eyes the logo kind of looks correct.
     
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    I have a Classic & Sportscar article on these cars from the early 1990s if anyone wants me to scan it in? It has photos of the Agnelli car in different colour schemes over the years too. Not sure about copyright issues with posting it up here but I could always email it.
     
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    When doing some literature research on s/n 8815 and s/n 8971 I noticed that there are numerous differences between early pictures of s/n 8971 (when it was unveiled in 1966) and later pictures of this same (?) car. I also noticed that Jean-Pierre Gabriel in his book "Dino - Les autres Ferrari" mentions that there are three examples of this famous three seater show car.

    The differences are so many that it's almost illogical that Pininfarina would have executed them on one chassis but ofcourse it's possible. So what's the consensus on this one - two or three examples? If there are three then what's the third car's s/n?

    Best regards, Peter

    p.s. I will scan some pictures to show the differences later
     
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    First difference:

    Number of slots in bonnet. Original car (insert on the right): eleven slots. Later car: twelve slots.

    Second difference:

    Indicator lights. Original car: set in the nose below the headlights. Later car: fixed on top of the bumpers.
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    Third difference:

    Fuel filler cap. Original car (insert left): filler set in the side window. Later car: filler aft of the side window set in the body.
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    Fifth difference: slots in rear of engine cover.

    Original car has no slots. Later car (picture) has six slots along the edge exactly the same as s/n 8815. The later car also (briefly?) sported a chromed spoiler exactly like s/n 8815. The later car also has a rear view mirror like s/n 8815. The Ferrari script on the rear is also different (original car had no script).
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    Ninth difference: vents in sills.

    The original car (insert) had no vents in the sills. The later car has five vents on each side exactly like s/n 8815.
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    Tenth difference: air inlets in lower part of the nose.

    The original car (insert) has two smaller air inlets with a broader singular on set further back. With the later car the singular air inlet seems to merge with the two smaller ones.
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    Last differences: rears.

    The original car (left) has different rear lights. Also the edge of the engine cover has a small rectangular recessed shape (push button?) on the original car whereas the later car has a chrome lock between two rectangular shapes (slots?)

    On the original car the exhausts protrude from two separate holes whereas on the later car there is just one broad hole. Also the exhaust pipes have a different shape and are set closer together on the later car.

    It must be noted that the very early Pininfarina pictures show no exhausts at all. The webbed wheels (second picture) were used only briefly: for certain at the Paris Salon in 1966 and probably also at a show in the USA in early 1967 (Detroit?).

    My theory is as follows: the original car is not s/n 08971. It could be an earlier s/n older than s/n 08815. Almost all the different details of the later car (08971) are copied from 08815, even for a short period the rear spoiler was there.
    Any thoughts are welcome!

    Best, Peter
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    I just noticed that the spinners on the wheels of the original car are different from the ones on the webbed wheels as well as those on the later car.
     

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