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Ferrari 365 P Paris Motor Show 1966

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  1. redsun

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    Hello Friends. Has the title says im looking for documentation (photos, articles etc) on the 365 P that was on display at the Paris Motorshow in 1966. Can anywone hep me out?

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    There were 2 built. Lou Chinetti said that there were a lot of differences between them as he restored his.

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    The one in Europe got the stainless rear wing, to hold it down......scary aerodynamics, I guess....

    R&T did a Salon??????
     
  6. Ed Niles

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    As I recall, the one that came here was the one built for Gianni Agnelli, and had an electric clutch for his gimpy leg. Someone out there will remember the S/N's of the two cars.
     
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    The Agnelli car was the silver one. I like this one better without the rear wing. Nice photos Ed, as usual.

    Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2011-Chicago April 2011
     
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    The Agnelli car is 8815
     
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    The white Paris Autoshow car is #8971. It has a 2600mm wheelbase and was completed at the end of September 1966. #8815 was completed in August 1966.

    Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2011-Chicago April 2011
     
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    Especially the first picture clearly shows the webbed spokes on the wheels. Something it didn't have at the PF introduction pictures and it doesn't have them today either. But there are many differences between how the car was when it was first photographed by PF and how it became later.
     
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    Is the white car the same car? looks like the fuels filler migrated from the rear butress to a new location going through the glass.
     
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    The white car, s/n 8971, went through a number of changes. Why I haven't been able to find out. For instance it was fitted at one time with the same rear spoiler as s/n 8815 but this has been removed since. The wheels have changed, the number and placing of ventilation slots, the fuel filler relocated etc.
     
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    Any mention of the 365P brings to mind the classic Russell Brockbank cartoon from R&T, in which a 365P is pulled onto the shoulder near a sign pointing to Roma, with the suave European gentleman owner at the wheel, both doors wide open, and two female companions fighting over which of them will win his favor. Oh, to have his problems! Fred
     
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    A have that issue. Very funny.

    I had never noticed the extra web on the wheels before. Half the early photos have them and half don't. I like it better without.

    Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2011-Chicago April 2011
     
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    Budd Keeney's old car-8815, was built on a modified LM chassis and is a SUBSTANTIALLY different car than Lou's car which is based on a 365P2/3 chassis and has a 4.4 motor.

    I child hood friend's dad was a builder of the LM based car, and I've been up close and persona; with the P2/3(as I call it), while they appear similar, this is where the similarities end-in appearances.
    LMs handle...well, it is an LM....the other is a different car, entirely
    BOTH are hugely interesting editions of coachbuilkt "road" cars which started life as REAL rtacing cars, later to be used as styling and technical exercises...These 2 cars really mark the end of the era for this sort of thing.
    Glickenhaus's DINO would fall into this rarified air...they-Ferrari-pretty much didn't do this sort of thing after these few cars and as THE 275 Series passed into the Daytona/FIAT ownership era, as liability for FIAT was simply waaaay too unacceptable.
    "Neat" cars....
     
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    Yes, my recollection was that Keeney's (and his predecessor) car was 8815, but was afraid to trust my memory and too lazy to look it up. The interesting thing is that both Bud and the earlier owner (whose name is lost in the mists of time) thought it was based on a P-car chassis. I'm pretty sure the engine was bigger that a 275, having had a wild ride in it. Ah well!
     
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    Ed, we spoke on the phone in the 1970s-later 70s??-about this car! It was "known" as the "365 PB{Posti Berlinetta}Speciale..."

    It came originally with-as was told me by one of the builders-either a 210 or a 211 mill, it got swapped out after repeated head gasket fiascos in attempts to rebuild it with 213 head gaskets! (they will sort of be OK in 1, but NOT the other, as it turns out-the memory thing which you reference afflicts us all, I'm sorry to report!).
    Subsequent USA attempts at trying to "make it work", resulted in scurrulous rumors of a motor swap, using a butchered 245...ALL unconfirmed. Current configuration is unknowm to me.
    I had chased this car for 3 years(!) with a staggering amont OK'd as a purchase ceiling-I could've bought Stu Baumgart's old GTO{the one with harrak's LM motor in it...} more than 3 times, based on the allowable limit!!!!
    Despite all my/the efforts, I caught up to the car 3-6 months subsequent to Bud's heart attack, and lost track of it until recently{3 yrs?}...
    It is now in-costwise-"P car" altitudes currently...as is the p2/3...but wait-IT IS A P CAR....
     
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    Hi,

    It seems you might be able to comment on my article, especially about the P chassis. Please feel free to make any corrections or additions. Thanks.

    p.s. the last thing I know about 8971 is that it is still owned by Chinetti Jr. 8815 is somewhere in Asia.
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    Two versions almost at the same moment.
     
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    Thank you ! A particular delight of this cartoon is the range of scenarios one might imagine.
     
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    If I remember correctly, Chinetti's were silver in colour correct?
     

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