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F430 cracked manifolds for dummys

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  1. m81b

    m81b Karting

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    I’m a relatively new owner of a 2005 F430. I’ve read several threads related to the manifold issues on these cars- but there are so many varied opinions, I’d like to just post a few questions and hope for anyone who has had to deal with it to share their answers.
    Some background- I live in Minnesota and the closest F Dealer is in Chicago. My car is serviced at our Maserati dealer by the mechanic who does all the F cars that come in. Great service department, no problems there. I am the 2nd owner and have service records only back to 2008 when the dealer here began to service the car. A full PPI was done, but we never discussed this issue.

    What is the warranty period for this issue? I’ve seen 2, 3 and 8 yrs posted.

    Does warranty work require the car to be trucked to a dealer?

    What can I look for as obvious signs of failure?

    How can I visually identify if any work has already been done (brackets or manifold)?

    If there are no cracks today, what is the least invasive (and least expensive) action I can take to prevent future failure?

    Thanks
     
  2. fasthound

    fasthound Formula Junior
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    I can verify that the headers will be covered under emissions warranty which is good for 8 years. Period. No issues, no hassles....the dealership will do it without question if they are shot. This is from very recent personal experience and I had no problems with the dealer on this specific issue.

    My GUESS is that it would have to be done at a dealer although perhaps they'd let the Maser dealer do it for them....only way to find out is to ask the Maser dealer and also talk to the closest Ferrari dealer....the Ferrari dealer may unfortunately (but understandably) demand to see the car. I believe they are required to return the old headers to Ferrari of NA when they do this kind of warranty work, but cannot verify that.

    I will leave it to others with much more knowledge than me to discuss your other questions.

    Good luck!
     
  3. hardtop

    hardtop F1 World Champ

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    I believe Kevin is correct about the warranty. Since the manifolds contain pre cats, they are covered for 8 years.

    Signs of failure are increased noise, but by the time it is obvious, I think you risk other damage. It would definitely be wise for you to find out if they were replaced. Assuming they were done under warranty, I think any dealer can run the VIN and find out. If they haven't been replaced, then it would be important to have them closely inspected on a regular basis. There are listening devices techs can use to discover the slightest leak. There is a new design and I haven't heard of any failing yet.

    Dave
     
  4. PbPedis

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    As above, definitely 8 years since I also have a 2005 and will be getting them done soon under warranty. I don't think you'll be able to get it covered anywhere other than an authorized Ferrari dealership. Ask your Maserati dealer to check to see if it is leaking.
     
  5. Testacojones

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    #5 Testacojones, Jan 9, 2011
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    In my case I told the dealer to inspect them just because I wanted to verify their conditions. There weren't any indications of anything wrong but when they check they found one leaking, so both were replaced. I remember them saying that the new ones should not break again. So for peace of mind you can get them checked out next time you visit a dealer, if no signs as noise or vibrations then don't be too paranoid, but feel the car and get to know it, in a Ferrari this is easy to feel as this cars communicate so well.
     
  6. blackbolt22

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    That's good new. My car is at dealer now and manifolds are being replaced along with a few other minor problems while still under 3 year warranty. It's good new for other owners that they are covered for 8 years. My warranty expires Jan 11th.
     
  7. lamontlawyer921

    lamontlawyer921 Formula Junior
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    Blackbolt, did you sort of have to 'force' the dealer to replace under warranty? When I get my F430, and if it has not had the exhaust done, and the warranty has run out (i am getting and 05 or 06), I do not want to have to fight with them to do the work under the 8yr warranty condition.
     
  8. blackbolt22

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    No. I complained about a rattle from the engine area of car and my 'check engine" light was off and on. I have been very pleased with service from F of Ft Laud.
     
  9. needspeed

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    How did they test to verify that you qualify for replacement. Asking, since I have an 05 also and this issue needs to be addressed and I don't want to wait for failure and potential engine damage.

    I rather just buy aftermarket and be done with it. But it would be nice to get a set for free before 2013.

    Just do not want to take the chance on motor damage......Thanks......Steve
     
  10. PbPedis

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    They said they could tell just by listening to it.
     
  11. needspeed

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    #11 needspeed, Jan 9, 2011
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    You have 8 years, so if it is broke, they will fix it without a hassle based on what has been stated in this thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302868

    Thanks PbPedis........Steve
     
  12. Buxton

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    #12 Buxton, Jan 9, 2011
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    Does the car have an aftermarket exhaust?

    This guy had his dealer sell and install an aftermarket exhaust, then later had cracked manifolds. The same dealer denied the warranty claiming he had an aftermarket exhaust put on (by them!) and that had invalidated the warranty.
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207737


     
  13. blackbolt22

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    I picked up the car today after manifold job was completed. I noticed it was much quieter on start up and idling plus no more rattle. It's nice to know I wasn't hearing things.
     
  14. m81b

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    Well- it's October 31st and I just had the car checked again during my end of year checkup and oil change (provided my Forum member 2NA). Tim attached a smoke machine to the exhaust and discovered leaks on both sides (passenger side was most pronounced).
    Good news is that I talked to Ferrari and it will be covered under the emission warranty- bad news is that warranty work can't be done in Minnesota- so I have to ship it off to Chicago... but, it's a problem I won't have to worry about any more. Hopefully we caught it before any engine damage.
     
  15. johncasale

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    Just had mine replaced at FCI in Greensboro, covered under warranty and they did a great job. Definitely quieter than before!
     
  16. Artief

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    I just had my exhaust manifolds replaced on my 2008 f430 spider. They actually found the cracks using a stethoscope because they (Ferrari Service) told me that the cracks were not visible. It was under warranty so I saved a small bundle. It evidently is very common because of an imperfection on the original metal used when the car was built.
     
  17. blackbolt22

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    That's good news. Now you have piece of mind about it. The replacement units are better.
     
  18. wang

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    Did they detect the cracks on the manifold by listening through the stethoscope? Do you know the procedure they did it in? Coz I'd like to check my 07 too.

    Thanks
     
  19. Senna1994

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    Mine are being done tomorrow. Now I hope I don't have to worry about it anymore, getting it done along with my annual service.
     
  20. needspeed

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    My dealer replaced mine no questions asked when I had a 15K major done a few months ago. I could not hear anything but he did and said lets replace them ASAP.....Steve
     
  21. 2NA

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    I wouldn't expect to find minor leaks without a smoke test. With the right equipment it's a sure thing.
     
  22. Artief

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    Wang,
    Yes they did. The exhaust had tubi tips on them which I converted back to a stock exhaust. The car sounded alot quieter but still roared when it 's supposed to. However the tech at Ferrari decided to listen with a stethoscope because he had experienced other cars having this problem which he said is common on 430's. He heard the difference in the way it should sound and found cracks. My car is a Certfied car so Ferrari picked up the tab. it is definitely worth doing because it can lead to problems later on.
     
  23. Purkinjie

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    I know this has been covered before but I picked my leak up looking back through the window while accelerating. Revving to 6-7K rpms you could see a puff of what I thought was smoke. Researching here proved otherwise. It was the insulation from the manifolds. Ferrari of New England did a great job of reproducing the problem and changed it without hassle. They incidently picked up a leak in the F1 actuator and fixed that as well (after sending photos to Italy). Great service. I was told it was about 30K worth of parts and labor. Another data point endorsing the Power warranty purchase. My wife was pleased with the decision. I also had the car lowered 15mm and new PS2s placed all around. It was a great week for the car!

    Gordon
     
  24. wang

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    Thanks Artief, I just did my annual service but the Ferrari tech did not say anything so I will ask him about it.

    Cheers :)
     
  25. fc2

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    Guys... my experience was quite similar to everyone above.

    I brought my '07 F430 into Ferrari of Silicon Valley for it's annual fluid service and got it back a few days later with new exhaust manifolds as well.

    While I didn't hear any suspicious noises, the dealer said the manifolds were bad and replaced them under warranty.
     

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