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Enzo engine dies at Laguna Seca

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Bill S, Oct 8, 2010.

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  1. S Brake

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  2. TexasMike

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    Wow... I remember those pics but i didn't know that it was your home & cars. The photos made me sick but I can only imagine how you must have felt.
     
  3. REALZEUS

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    Hello there!

    Ferrari uses liquid nitrogen to shrink and then fit such engine components. This task is performed by two robots called Romeo and Juliet.
     
  4. sixcarbs

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    Hi Bill,

    Sorry you have to go through this, but you are definitely doing it the right way.

    Will you put it on a dyno before it goes back in?
     
  5. PAP 348

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    Hello friend. :D:D

    Yes, I saw the 599 Factory video. :D:D

    Shows them fitting valve seats with Remeo and Juliet. :D:D

    I wonder if they use the liner puller or freeze them at the factory? :):)

    If you freeze them, you dont need the special tools to fit the liners. :):)
     
  6. Bill S

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    #106 Bill S, Feb 16, 2011
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    Hey guys. See below. The factory says heat the block to 90 degrees C and insert the liners at room temperature. That's because they use rubber O-rings which would crack if you used liquid nitrogen.

    We are having a problem with the liners. They are not seating fully. We're using Prussian Blue to see the contact points. Any ideas on why they may not be seating fully?
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  7. PAP 348

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    There ya go, special tool to fit the liners. :D:D

    I dont know why they wouldnt be seated hard Bill? :):)

    They should pull straight in man. Perhaps an issue with the deck height on the block? :eek::eek:

    We have NEVER had an issue with fitting liners, but our blocks are cast iron. Not alloy. :eek::eek:
     
  8. mrbucket2

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    Thats for valve seats, not for cylinder liners.
     
  9. REALZEUS

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    It would seem that you are quite right sir.
     
  10. JeremyJon

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    #110 JeremyJon, Feb 17, 2011
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    on the bottom of your attatchment is a note about the first liner possibly causing issue with sbsequent liners if not seated fully.....
    .....i know on the bmw v12 we had a hella-time, and found we had to work super-super-fast, more then we thought, as the block cooled so quickly.....finally it was a sprint-race, and suddenly in she went!? hope this helps?

    PS reminds me, we also let the block linger for a while in oven-box, not just as soon as when the block reached the temp, mind you that isn't as valuable as anEnzo block, which is also likely made of less aluminum mass, so warpage would be of concern, but these were our observations


     
  11. MD326

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    Any update on the liners Bill? Or a general update. Thanks! Hope everything is getting figured out.
     
  12. Bill S

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    The liners are in! We needed to apply a bit more force than expected.

    With all the parts in, things should start moving quickly.
     
  13. GregW

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    I had that problem. The dealer found several ends from valve springs in the oil during an oil change. I had to ship the engine back to the factory for a complete rebuild because it was clear to me that they had a problem with a bad batch of springs and I did not want any of them left in my engine and I wanted a through inspection to see if there was damage to any of the cylinders. I had to pay for shipping and removing and reinstalling the engine and Ferrari in Italy did th rebuild for free. The car was about 15 months old.
     
  14. Bill S

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    I assume you were the original owner, the car was 3 months out of warranty, and "goodwill" paid for the engine rebuild?
     
  15. Metal Guru

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    If a seat was to fail it would have fallen out of the head as one piece. All seats are present and accounted for.
    It looks to me like the valve itself failed. Are the keepers still holding the stem up?
     
  16. Bill S

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  17. NeuroBeaker

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    By now you must be really anxious to get behind the wheel of your Enzo again. :)

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  18. NWaterfall

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    I would love to see dyno numbers from this rebuild!

    If you ever have the car near Salt Lake City, I've got free dyno time with your name on it!
     
  19. PAP 348

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    Good to hear mate. :D:D
     
  20. Norm512TR

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    Nice to see some good progress on this project
     
  21. Buxton

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    Looking good mate!
     
  22. Serpent Driver

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    Can you please post some pics of the car with the engine removed? How is the removal prossedure?
     
  23. NeuroBeaker

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    #123 NeuroBeaker, Apr 4, 2011
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    I once took a couple of pictures of an Enzo (not Bill's) with the engine removed. I don't know how helpful it will be, but here you go. :)

    All the best,
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  24. Bill S

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    #124 Bill S, Apr 10, 2011
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  25. nthfinity

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    Just call it a 'Flinstone Superleggera'
     

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