What's the verdict on refueling?

Lacks the visual impact of a car making a DRS enhanced swoop.
Have to keep things easily understood by the great unwashed.

 

Fine in theory. But in practice they'd pretty much all converge on the same strategy. Checo or Jenny may do one less stop, but beyond that the strategists will run the numbers and one will prove to be the best.

Refueling isn't coming back any time soon - Remember, just hauling the rigs around the world added a complete 747 to the mix.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Of course it's not.
But if we're limiting ourselves to only discussing the possible you'll have to delete at least half of P&R.

 

No doubt! I keep out of there - Scares the hell out of me! [I am a CA "flake" after all these days ]

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1 yup.

 

Besides some benefit
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Ouch!.... Almost certainly cost him the WDC.

 

I do miss the comic relief.

 

I was glad to see it go, was surprised to see this thread, was going to post my thoughts, then realized I was quoting people from years ago.

So anyway, I like it better without the refueling. I'd also like to see a tire that can go the race distance, I think it used to be that way in the 60's, refueling wasn't normal, nor was a tire change.

Taking out refueling, emphasizes more on the driver.

 

Go back further and you'll find both were a part of the sport. I suspect that more GPs have involved pit stops for tires and fuel than haven't.
Anyone know?

 

The problem is the mandated tires.
The sharp end of the grid all qualify on the option tires, but then has to run the same tires with a full race worth of fuel -- which is a significant weight difference, in cars that light.

They've done everything to try to *force* passing except the obvious: get rid of the super brakes.
This is a constructors' series: they shouldn't be using brakes that are useless on production cars. (Ineffective when cold.)

Go back to iron brakes, and drivers can't brake at 5G every corner.
When you have to pick when to heat the brakes, you'll see more passing under braking.

And you might even reduce costs a bit, too.

 

I know for sure rear tires where a wear issue in the "golden days" of GP racing - pre F1, pre WWII. Drivers could put the tires on edge, perhaps spinning them a little, trying to push harder out of corners, necessitating pit stops, or try to make the distance. I'm not sure on fuel back in those days.

So post WWII, when did adding fuel during the race become normal? The early cars seem to have pretty substantial fuel tanks. I do not know my GP racing from the early 50's to the early 60's that well, or the 70's.

I think the two different sets of tires, makes for more passing, but it can be hard to figure out who's doing what from a spectator's stand point. I'm ok with tire changes, and I'm ok with no tire changes.

 

I think that refueling wasn't done between 57 and 82.

 

Want to see it back ASAP

 

I have been following F1 since the 80's and I can not say that I prefer one over another. With that said, there is one rule I hope that they NEVER consider bring back, the one set of tires per race rule. IMO, that was one of the biggest fail ever by FIA.

 

Great points.

Imagine Grosjean or Maldonado with no brakes??? Honestly, it'd be a serious safety issue IMO; accidents would go thru the roof. It's like putting Miata brakes on a 458. Brakes have to at least match the performance of the car IMO. Production cars don't brake at 5Gs... but they don't corner at 5Gs either .

After much debate, not an easy answer folks .

 

I'm afraid I have to disagree. If the old Champ Car series is any indication, it won't help. They used steel brakes all the way up to the last year before the new DP-01 chassis was introduced, and during all of the last half decade, Sebastian Bourdais exhibited Schumacher like dominance and passing was still fairly uncommon. This was in a totally spec series with cars that were nowhere near as aero dependent as F1 cars.

 

+1

It won't be long before they figure out the brakes and we'll be back at square one.

 

IMAGINE!!!! I believe we have already witnessed that scenario countless times!!


Sorry I could not pass up da pun.