I like the "black panel", I also like the black roof on the 458 Italia ...
I don't have a dog in this fight (sold my Dino years ago) and am ambivalent about which version is more beautiful, but the gap between GT and GTS values will always be there since: (i) the GTS is an open car, and they're almost invariably worth more than their closed counterparts; and (ii) there were more GT versions made than GTS versions, so the latter will always be more rare. Also, many people prefer the rare flared fenders with Campy wheels (they command a significant premium), and those are almost all GTS cars.
I had both for a few moments in time, a virtually perfect GTS and a somewhat better than driver quality GT. Kept the GT, sold the GTS. Without doubt, the GT is the superior car for driving on road or track. Better handling, tighter feel, a better and more consistent ride. And because there is less flex, squeeks and groans are greatly reduced. Also, it seems to me, and to a few others who have owned both (Ryan - you out there?) that there is more headroom in the GT than in the GTS with the targa top on. And, if you get caught out in a bad rain storm, no roof leaks. That is not to say that the GTS doesn't have a few advantages - if you a driving along a shady road on a warm, but not too warm, sunny afternoon. But, if you are on a long and gruelling drive in the hot summer sun (heading down I-5 in Northern California trying to make it to Pebble Beach in record time, for example), I'd still take the GT over the GTS. Mark
So, getting back to the original question, a decent GT is worth somewhere between $200,000 and $250,000 now? Is that the general consensus?
I would say that's about right, Dinogts. Exceptional cars of course will be more expensive. I hope the market rationalizes. Andres
Not wanting to ruffle any feathers, for me it is black and white. I chose the GT regardless of price. As a teenager dreaming of owning a Dino one day, it was always the GT. It's beauty isn't just splitting hairs. It is in a league of it's own. For open air, a Healey 100-4(with the windshield in the down position) or the 356A Speedster symbolizes "top down" with grace, beauty and purity. I really like the GTS but I fear I'd abandon her at the prom for the GT! Freeman
From my first glance of a sketch of the 1965 Dino Berlilnetta Speciale in an MG Mitten ad (with the Dino sporting a ski rack on the engine lid!), three things struck me about the Dino "look": the high arch of the front fenders, the sweeping roof buttresses with wrapraround backlight and corresponding quarter windows, and the Kamm-style rear end. The GTS has the fenders and the Kamm tail, but lacks the quarter windows which, together with the wraparound backlight and the arching roof, create a dramatic design effect, while also giving the greenhouse an appealing lightness. On strict grounds of beauty, the GTS is a design compromise. It gives a modicum of the open-air experience (at the expense of lost body rigidity and some visibility), but does not improve upon the original coupe design, in my opinion. Fred
Yse, but this is the place where boys show their toys to the other kids. But for the record, I don't have both a GT and a GTS, Chris. I wish I did, if only to be able to provide a credible view. Best, Andy
Are you claiming that this is what just as Enzo had prescribed the car to be - sitting in a museum, completely unused, unengaged art except for viewing? This MOMA criteria is not decisive. In fact, I respectfully disagree, these are to be driven and enjoyed, best interacting with their owners on the road and shared with others. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1s2iHEL7vs[/ame] 1) There are other reasons why you sold the GTS aren't there!? 2) The ONLY reason we were driving in the heat of the day making it gruelling was that YOU were 5 hours late in departing (due to your work) while Marty and I stood around twiddling thumbs waiting for you. Had YOU been on time we would have avoided the unpleasant heat of the day. Marty insisted we go but I thought it better that us Dinos all drive together and since I had the keys, Marty lost his vote. The truth is that it was a wonderful drive down with great friends and exceptionally fun times, photos here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254827 Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
well beside loving the car since the first time I layed my eyes on a Dino, I still consider selling with todays pricetags, on the other hand I look at it as an investment so maybe waiting is better. I spend more time looking at it than driving what will it fetch in todays marked S/n 04770, 1972 Dino 246 GTS. European model. Chassis Tipo 607 E, Motor Tipo 236 E, Gearbox Tipo 607 E. Engine number is * 0010200* and the gearbox is 1265E 1972, 25 April, a Euro spec car imported into the US by Luigi Chinetti Motors through New York for Anthony La Bella, 2 Spring dale Road, Cherry Hill NJ, 08003. 1972, 28 Aug., DOT release issued by Clive Van Orden of the DOT. 1978, Owner: UNKNOWN Address: CONNECTICUT CT, USA. Exterior Color: YELLOW/BLACK Mileage: 24500/78. Comments: EUROPEAN MODEL.. Market: European, LHD. (2009, Dino Register/MU) 19??-95, Owner: LABELLA Address: USA USA. Exterior Color: YELLOW Interior Color: BLACK. Comments: H/LIGHT COVERS.. For Sale: 95/05. Sale Price: 47000. (2009, Dino Register/MU) 1978 in Connecticut with Anthony La Bella. Yellow with black interior. European model. Fitted with Euro spec type plexiglass headlight covers. 1978, June, offered in the Ferrari Club of America journal by Anthony La Bella at 203 265 1835 (CT). New fly yellow and black paint. 24,500 miles. 1972 to 2001, owned by a Anthony La Bella. Fly yellow with black interior. Covered headlights. 2001, to Jeff Brenner, Felton, PA. 2003, to Rich Allison, Lancaster, PA. 2003, 2004, restored by Rich Allison, Lancaster, PA. Strip and paint by Burkholders, Paradise, PA. New interior from re-originals. All mechanical maintenance done by Rich Allison. 2004, 16 May, at the 20th Annual Reading Ferrari Concours d'Elegance, Reading Country Club, Pennsylvania, platinum award with Rich Allison. See Prancing Horse Magazine #152, page 36 and Cavallino issue #142, page 30 for concours info. 2005, 15 May, at the 20th Annual Reading Ferrari Concours d'Elegance, Reading Country Club, Pennsylvania, platinum award with Rich Allison. 2005, 19 June, 246 GTS s/n 4770 won the Eddie Sachs trophy for the outstanding sports car at the Concours d'Elegance of the Eastern United States at Bethlehem, PA. 2005, Nov.,
Putting aside preference and justification for the moment, what are the opinions on the current market differential between a similar condition GT and GTS? (expressed as either $ or %).
Michael Sheehan's recent email has some interesting comments on the $200k premium that Chairs and Flares cars have attained Image Unavailable, Please Login
Fred, if we're talking about the same thing, that drawing made quite an impression on me, too. I remember it well. Andres Image Unavailable, Please Login
