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Kimi: "That won't help. Someone needs to punch him." SPOILER ALERT de Monaco

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  1. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    #1 freshmeat, May 26, 2013
    Personal highlight for me from de Monaco GP, a boring albeit incident filled train wreck.

    From Autosport.com:

    Monaco GP: Kimi Raikkonen says Sergio Perez has no idea after clash
    By Scott Mitchell Sunday, May 26th 2013, 19:13 GMT

    Kimi Raikkonen has slammed Sergio Perez for blaming him for their collision during the Monaco Grand Prix, claiming the McLaren driver "has no idea what he's talking about".

    Raikkonen was in fifth position when the Mexican tried to pass him on the entry to the chicane and the pair made contact, resulting in a left-rear puncture for the Lotus and dropping him down the field.

    Perez, who later retired, claimed after the race that the Finn should have left him more room, but Raikkonen left no doubt as to where he felt the blame lie.

    "He hit me from behind and that's about all there is to it," said Raikkonen, who recovered from the incident to claim a solitary point, having passed Nico Hulkenburg's Sauber for 10th on the final lap.

    "If he thinks it's my fault that he came into the corner too fast then he obviously has no idea what he's talking about."

    "It's not the first time he'***** someone in the race. He seems to expect people to be always looking at what he might do, then move over or go straight on if he comes into the corner too quick and isn't going to make it without running into someone."

    With championship rival Sebastian Vettel finishing second to Nico Rosberg's Mercedes, Raikkonen concedes he has lost valuable ground to the German in the title fight - although 10th did extend his run of consecutive points finishes to 23.

    "It was a really disappointing day," Raikkonen said. "Because of one stupid move from Sergio we've lost a lot of points to Sebastian in the championship and you can't afford to lose ground like that.

    "Not the ideal weekend but there's nothing we can do about it. At least we got one point back at the end."

    I have to agree with the kimster, and I am glad kimi was the one to take Checo to school.
     
  2. moretti

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    #2 moretti, May 26, 2013
    If Kimi thought Perez was bad then he should look out for his team mate who is a real wild card
     
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    #3 Fast_ian, May 26, 2013
    +1

    Very well said. ;)

    Seems he's going back 10 places in Canada......

    I'm *almost* (but not quite, given his ride ;)), feeling a little sorry for young Checo!.... One moment his boss is telling him to 'stick his elbows out', and now Kimi wants to punch him on the nose! :)

    Gotta love F1

    Cheers,
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  4. freshmeat

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    #4 freshmeat, May 26, 2013
    They hardly ever talk and neither have denied it. He races his race, Grosjean his own and as Kimi eloquently put it, "I don't care what he does as long as I do my job on the team."
     
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    #5 moretti, May 26, 2013
    Grosjean is obviously fast but if you can't translate that to race pace with sensible overtaking then what good is it.

    Perez's attempted overtake of Kimi reminded me a lot of Kobyashi with his suicide dives up the inside that often came to the same conclusion

    Anyway, Nico drove well and got a well deserved win
     
  6. PSk

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    #6 PSk, May 26, 2013
    Accidents happen at Monaco. You either follow the guy in front of you all the way home or you grow a pair and have a go. Yes Kimi's pissed off, as I would be, but anybody that believes Perez should have just followed Kimi home has never done any racing themself, or does not have the competitive drive needed for a racing driver.

    Perez saw a small opportunity and took it ... sure in hindsight not the right opportunity but milli-second decision and at least he had a go IMO.
    Pete
     
  7. freshmeat

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    #7 freshmeat, May 26, 2013
    I think for the majority, everyone agrees that having a go was in great racing spirit. Problem here is Checo blames Kimi for his failure to complete his banzai dive down on the inside rather than recognize it was his own inability to acknowledge that he wasn't going to make the turn. Kimi was the car ahead & shut the door on him.
     
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    #8 Ric, May 26, 2013
    I think the issue is Sergio was blaming Kimi for the accident. If Sergio could just keep his mouth shut, then it would be a non issue. Just another racing accident.
     
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    #9 PSk, May 26, 2013
    Oh. Yes Perez needs to stop talking!

    Pete
     
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    #10 F2003-GA, May 26, 2013
    There's a difference between sticking elbows out and sticking it in the A**s
     
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    #11 F2003-GA, May 26, 2013
    No you either pull of a successful pass or your a failure
    Checo a failure Zero points for the race
     
  12. fluque

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    #12 fluque, May 26, 2013
    Checo was trying hard, too hard on the last one with Kimi where he misjudged his chances. No question it was Sergio's fault.

    Kimi needs to chill, he's forgotten the bonehead move that saw him crash in the back of Sutil in Monaco 2008 totally ruining a great drive from Adrian.

    Sergio's move on Alonso was a good pass yet Fernando also complained.
     
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    #13 fluque, May 26, 2013
    The zero points result was due to brake overheating and not the contact with Kimi.
     
  14. freshmeat

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    #14 freshmeat, May 26, 2013
    The contact w kimi caused debris from his fw to be lodged into his ducting which caused the failure. So, yes, it's accurate to say the contact w kimi resulted in Checo's DNF.
     
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    #15 Qvb, May 26, 2013
    Perez found a loophole in the rules (in a sense) If he took the inside line, the car being passed had no where to go but off track (or hit him). His pass on Alonso was not a good pass, he just forced Alonso to leave the track. Kimi understood what Perez was doing and started taking the inside line away from him. He did it every lap. That is why Kimi was annoyed, Perez should have learned by then that Kimi was going to the inside.
     
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    #16 PSk, May 26, 2013
    Yes you are correct, but we have to remember this is Monaco where passing is near on impossible.

    Perez's only mistake was to be too desperate and expect Kimi to move out of the way, and then to talk about it afterwards. When he has won a few races and built the "Senna or MS" mentality then people will get out of his way ... but he is a long way from that, unless he is trying to build it a different way :D
    Pete
     
  17. moretti

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    #17 moretti, May 26, 2013
    If I wasn't paying the bills I'd probably do the same as Perez
     
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    #18 PSk, May 26, 2013
    Yep.

    In regards to Alonso he, I reckon, was driving to maximise his points as he was thinking of the WDC. Looked wimpy but better than doing a Massa.
    Pete
     
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    #19 Bas, May 27, 2013
    +1
     
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    #20 Ferrari 360 CS, May 27, 2013
    Agreed, poor driving from Perez in my opinion.
     
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    #21 Axecent, May 27, 2013
    Good on Perez, as long as he doesn't make a habit of it. And keeps his mouth shut. Drivers today....I guess they are paid to entertain, huh?

    Perez should show up at the next race wearing a "Shut up....I know what I am doing" T shirt. And keep it in mind when he considers WHO he is trying to pass with a hail Mary move.
     
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    #22 furoni, May 27, 2013
    Massa had no fault in his race accident..and i doubt he also had any in the practice one...
     
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    #23 selvatico, May 27, 2013
    This. Had Alonso not moved off track it would have resulted in an incident with Perez. He was effectively forced off track to avoid contact and then forced to let Perez through as it is against regulations to cut the track to gain advantage. IMO Alonso did not move off track to gain advantage, but rather to avoid a collision.

    Perez simply tried the maneuver one too many times. No way is Kimi at fault for what happened; Perez took the risk and lost out.

    Still, the drive Perez put in yesterday was one of the few interesting on-track spectacles!
     
  24. freshmeat

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    #24 freshmeat, May 27, 2013
    David Coulthard nailed this one about Checo:

    "Sergio Perez drove. He was like the man at the Casino - winning, winning, winning, thinking he was invincible, and then it all goes wrong.

    he was taking advantage of people who were fighting for the championship, which Perez isn't,He wants to show he is a racer but he was taking on those who know they need points at every race to stay in the battle for the championship, so in many ways it wasn't a fair fight."
     
  25. F2003-GA

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    #25 F2003-GA, May 27, 2013
    David's commentary is on the Money
     
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