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  1. Newman

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    #1 Newman, Sep 4, 2013
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    I found this boxer last christmas and bought it as a project car for myself. Found some interesting mods it had done back in 79 when it was new and because I need another non-running ferrari like a hole in the head I decided to put it back together. I planned to restore it but the reality is right now I dont have the time or the space to spread another car all over the place especially since I plan to move in less than a year.

    Yes Adams Im moving! Again!

    I pulled the heads off to have a look inside when I first bought the car and Im okay with what I see. The engine had been removed over 4 years ago for a service on a good running car (so they say) so Im cleaning the heads up and putting them back on, koenig cams go back in and it'll be the way it was in 79. Im excited to drive it and see what the koenig engine package worked like back then with those tall stacks and big snorkels over the roof. Worst case scenario is I have an assembled carbed boxer that I can restore a few years from now unless I blow it up before that. I plan to drive it before the snow flies (maybe even after it snows) but im limited to evenings and weekends to working on it.
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  2. Crowndog

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    #2 Crowndog, Sep 4, 2013
    Well I for one think those stacks look freaking awesome!!!
     
  3. donv

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    #3 donv, Sep 4, 2013
    I think it's a cool project. You can haul (small) parts in it!

    This car just has some Koenig engine mods and nothing else, right? That seems like the way to do it, if you had to do it at all.
     
  4. Newman

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    #4 Newman, Sep 4, 2013
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    Agreed!

    Just the engine mods which required the snorkels and it had BBS wheels but the original wheels followed the car and the BBS wheels were sold along the way. The dates on the cromodoras match the year of the car.

    Pics of it several years ago with the BBS wheels then prior to the engine coming out and being put on the back burner for over 4 years.
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    #5 Nativetroy, Sep 4, 2013
    That's cool. I like seeing the aftermarket stuff, I wasn't around to enjoy it back then. How's the rest of the car?
     
  6. Newman

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    #6 Newman, Sep 4, 2013
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    The odometer says 8200kms and talking to the previous owners and knowing it sat for 4+ years it makes sense. The paint is original and in need of attention and was stored improperly during those 4 years so there are some areas that are like new and others that dont match the rest of the car condition-wise. There are areas that are like new and fortunately its un-hit and no DOT conversion ever. It should have clear front signal lamps which were swapped to amber when it was imported into Canada new in 79. I have a pair of new clear lamps waiting. Realistically I would like to restore this car but need to make it run first, sort it, drive it and get back to it when I can squeeze in a resto.
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  7. AHudson

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    #7 AHudson, Sep 4, 2013
    The Postal Service must hate you!

    What a crazy project to take on (in a good kind of crazy way). So utterly 80's extreme. At your first show display, maybe you should sprinkle mounds of baby powder leading into the snorkels for an authentic 80's snorting experience.

    Seriously, any 12 cylinder car with roof snorkels is worth saving! Was this the car the wacko stalk Blaupunkt came out of?

    This car will be fun, and is undoubtedly quite rare. I imagine it's history tells a very good and hopefully sordid story.
     
  8. 2dinos

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    #8 2dinos, Sep 5, 2013
    Will it get a special carrier? (so you have an excuse to spread tranny parts about) :)
     
  9. Newman

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    #9 Newman, Sep 5, 2013
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    The radio stays! The berlin 8000 goose neck is so ridiculous I cant help but keep it.
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  10. Newman

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    #10 Newman, Sep 5, 2013
    Not yet, sold out but making more.
     
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    #11 Sunracer, Sep 5, 2013
    It's an '80's must!!!
     
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    #12 4right, Sep 5, 2013
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    In my opinion it looks much better with the Cromodora wheels! Is the red duct proper? Most that I have seen match the color of the lower body panel.
     
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    #13 hyenahf, Sep 5, 2013
    goose neck, remote recaro, snorkel, koening....kool kar!
     
  14. donv

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    #14 donv, Sep 5, 2013
    Good call on keeping the Berlin! That was the setup, back in the day.

    Are you keeping the seats as well?
     
  15. Newman

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    #15 Newman, Sep 5, 2013
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    The painted duct is a show car detail that ferrari used to highlight the fact they added a duct vs the 365 boxer. In boxer trim its easy to miss the fact the side scoop is there so they painted them body color for the shows and brochures, Ive seen them silver as well. Ive seen a few boxers with painted scoops which is a personal choice, Ill make them black again.

    I sold the seats to a guy in CA last fall, they weighed 50lbs each! I bought proper boxer seats to put back in it. It also has a Gilles Villeneuve signature series momo steering wheel which Im also leaving in place. Looks like the OEM wheel but with a signature and its a little thicker, has a pronounced finger pattern on the back side, feels good in the hand.
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    #16 Nativetroy, Sep 5, 2013
    Very cool. Looks like you'll have an awesome and unique car. And I'm sure it will sound awesome with the trumpets. Very nice.
     
  17. John B

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    #17 John B, Sep 5, 2013
    I really like that car, and what you're doing with it!
     
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    #18 hnyc, Sep 6, 2013
    As soon as I was done looking at the Blaupunkt I caught those Recaro Cs. Glad to see that it survived the '90s/00s. Hope you're keeping it as such. Since those BBSs are gone, put some Gottis on her! There are plenty of time correct cars, but I kind of like seeing period aftermarket mod cars survive.
     
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    #19 hnyc, Sep 6, 2013
    Of course I just see your post now about selling the Recaros. Oh well. Originality wins again. Fine car either way. Look forward to seeing its progress.
     
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    #20 donv, Sep 6, 2013
    Are you going to put it on the dyno when it's back together? It would be interesting to know what sort of power it really puts out.
     
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    #21 Ferraripilot, Sep 6, 2013
    Wow those are serious cam lobes. How is that streetable!
     
  22. turbo-joe

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    #22 turbo-joe, Sep 6, 2013
    I have the same cams in my BB koenig. when you start in 1st gear may be you have to push the gaspedal a little more than with stock cams, but it is really no problem to drive the car with those cams in normal traffic.
    only problem is when you always have to stop and go on a freeway. this is not good for the clutch then. but with stock cams you have the same problem.

    to put this engine on a dyno would be great before installing it paul
     
  23. Newman

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    #23 Newman, Sep 7, 2013
    Glad to hear people are keen on the period mods. Knowing it was done new in 79 makes it right in a way. Ive had a few people groan over the snorkels but I cant run the stacks with out them. I kinda like the snorkels anyway but glad thats the only exterior change. I dont mind losing the seats, they were a little much plus it had 5 point harnesses which I just didnt want.

    Hadn't considered dyno time but I could give it a try I guess.
     
  24. Newman

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    #24 Newman, Sep 7, 2013
    We'll see! I expect a lack of response down low but quite a bit more mid and upper range. Hoping for a bit of a rough idle from the cams.
     
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    #25 Steve Magnusson, Sep 7, 2013
    +1 -- Please post some lift/duration measurements, Paul.
     
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