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Another 360 CS TCU install- My thoughts

Discussion in '360/430' started by 348 Turbo, Feb 16, 2014.

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  1. 348 Turbo

    348 Turbo Formula 3

    Jul 17, 2002
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    Today I had my 2003 360 TCU swapped for the CS unit. I thought I'd share some impressions.
    First off my car had the late version of the TCU, already pretty good. I was in search of a "sportier" shift. Well, I kind of got it.
    I had the install done here at a local shop. He used a Leonardo Devinci to read the data off the old TCU, then he moved "some of it" over. He did reset the PSI to 4.9, on the new TCU, that's the data from the old one. Oddly, he couldn't read the "clutch wear" on his machine; it just came up as "0". This bothered both of us- in the end, it had no effect. He used the very steps listed here on f-chat and they worked great.
    Results- These observations are all seat of the pants stuff so take it with a little grain of salt.
    In the normal setting, the difference is generally subtle. downshifts are crisper, and even more so, with your foot on the throttle. Upshifts, are quite similar. In sport, the difference is more notable. Accelerating upshifts are quicker- notably so. Downshifting is also again, quicker and seems more precise. The roads here in Memphis are poor. For normal driving, I prefer the normal mode for the softer, more compliant suspension. This eliminates most of the gains to be had from the CS TCU. I got a cheap deal on it, so I'm going to keep it.
    Knowing what I know now, I'd not pay the retail price for this unit. I'd put the money somewhere else, (maybe towards a 458!). It is an evolution, not a revolution. If you have the earlier TCU, perhaps it's worth it. Just my opinion.
     
  2. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

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    I am interested in your original TCU if your willing to sell. PM if interested. Would like to know part number off old TCU.

    R
     
  3. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    another thought: since the transmission boxes of 360 and F430 are idential, why don't poeple swap over the F430 TCU? if the pins are different, i would imagine it isn't that difficult to modify or is it?
     
  4. netman

    netman Formula 3

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    I know the 430 uses a CAN bus system for control, which in not compatible with the 360.
     
  5. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    that means all electronics have to be swapped over to make it right?

    i.e. might as well just buy a f430?


     
  6. netman

    netman Formula 3

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  7. Philcat

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    It's been posted here before, that some 430 TCUs can be used in 360s if reprogrammed properly.
     
  8. English Rebel

    English Rebel Formula 3

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    Sorry I don't know which is the part# but here is the information off my old 1999 TCU
    03.09.09
    176552 62000.008.01
    FOLOOCO
    FERRARI F131
    Y-05J399
    CFC201F .01

    Alan
     
  9. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    i have to say i like the "slowliness" of the 360 gear change. In the beginning I kinda hate F1 ( i have another 360 with 6speed ) , then I started to like that F1, but after I drove my friend's f430, i wanted the f430's gear change feel so much. now after 2 months of missing my 360 F1(small accident), i started to love it! It is really weird that I now love the slow F1 transmision, anyone has the same feeling ?
     
  10. RedTaxi

    RedTaxi F1 Rookie
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    You say you want the 430 gear change. Is it slow too? I think not.
    CS TCU was my best upgrade.
    Is your F1 slower than your manual 6-speed?
     
  11. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    i might mis represent my idea

    I thought the F430 gear change is FAST , faster than 360 F1 and in turn 360 F1 is faster than
    my not-so-great stick gear change.

    however, I started to have this strange feeling that I loved the slowliness of my 360 F1 gear change, more than i love the stick and the F430 fast gear change. this strange feeling started after I had a small acciddent on my 360 F1 and i wasn't able to touch it for about 2 month already


     
  12. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

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    Thanks for the pm. Wrong part number as I am looking for the next version tcu. Introduced late 2003.
     
  13. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

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    #13 Mr.Chairman, Feb 17, 2014
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2014
    Thanks Alan. I looking for latest tcu version. I think it's 211023. That is the tcu I'm looking for.


    R
     
  14. English Rebel

    English Rebel Formula 3

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    So the 176552 is the part number?
    Alan
     
  15. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

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    #15 Mr.Chairman, Feb 17, 2014
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2014
    Yes. But The best tcu for the 360 is part number 211023. It retains usage of normal and sport mode. Very slight difference vs stradale tcu. I don't plan on tracking car but if a stradale tcu comes along as well I may consider. They made about four or five versions of the tcu. 211023 being the latest and greatest besides the stradale tcu. Challenge car tcu is out of question as it does not work with street 360 and stradales. The rest of the tcu's for sale are a dime a dozen ranging from $600 - $1,000. 197533 being offered is the tcu just before 211023. Still a good upgrade but if priced accordingly.

    R
     
  16. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Eric355 can reflash any of the late TCUs (not the very early one, different hardware) to a CS TCU. Several owners have done that.
     
  17. SnowmanUK

    SnowmanUK Karting

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    After the new TCU is installed it is important to optimise the PIS to get best performance. This is an iterative process using the diagnostics computer (i.e. SDx). The minimum recommended PIS for the CS is 4.2mm. A lower PIS results in faster shifts and the value also affects shift smoothness.
     
  18. 348 Turbo

    348 Turbo Formula 3

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    Thank you for chiming in. Yes, He explained this to me. We followed up the installation with several test drives at different settings. We settled on 3.82. I thought it was "jerky" at less. I should've included this in my original post. Is there any other setting that could further optimize the CS TCU? Really, the difference isn't staggering, at all.
     

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