Lear 24 poor man's jet?

NOT... there is no single engine take off permitted per the operating manual, to attempt to do so would be a breach of the insurance

...as a matter of fact there is not an operating manual ( unless one appeared in recent years ) for a prop plane that allows for single engine take off. It is only jets that have operating instructions for single engine take off...

 

while a good flying airplane, it can come back and bite hard, it is not a plane for a timid or less than fully qualified pilot... with its' speed and responsive platform, it is easy to get behind the plane, especially in IFR...

 

That was a Commander.

 

I also operated an Aerostar for a few years, and it is a great airplane. The cabin is a bit tight if you carry more than 1 or 2 passengers, but certainly no worse than a Baron 58 or similar.

I would recommend getting either a 602P or a 601P with one of the engine upgrades-- makes a big difference. This is a good summary of the differences:

Aerostar Owners Association

 

most fly their Aerostars with 5 seats, leaving the seat behind the pilot at home... it makes getting in and out much easier. To get in or out, the pilot's seat must be moved full forward ( into the panel ) to gain entry to the back of the plane, with the seat removed it opens the space a lot without climbing over the seat.

since this is a 24 topic, the Aerostar can be flown like a Lear during approach, it's speeds allow it to keep up with commercial traffic or take approaches and departures designed for turbines in large busy TCAs...

 

The rebirth of that thread got me dreaming for a few minutes before going back to earth. Having my own private jet has always been an ambition of mine but I have to face the fact I have not been professionally successful to do it properly.

I do have the need to shuttle family back and forth very frequently but the break-even point compared to commercial flights is simply very far especially when you're looking at trips which are very well covered by commercial flights (London to Nice in my case).
Replicating the same level of safety and reliability takes bucket loads of money. I have enough to afford a few sportscars and own some real estate here and there but I don't have Russian oligarch money.

Now I am sure someone in the business, that has access to all the tricks in the books can probably manage with the occasional frustration. But for me, mere mortal, this is a distant dream.

Every time we get t Nice especially in he summer, I glance at the incredible array of private jets parked on the tarmac (literally from 747SP down to Cessna Mustang and everything in between) and I wonder how I could do better for myself and avoid waiting for the 24 rows f passengers ahead of me to go before I can disembark....

Jets are in the same league as proper custom yachts budget wise. Still you can watch them come and go for free.

 

London to Nice isn't "jet territory". That's a short trip. Could easily be done in a Cirrus. Go become a pilot and things will start to make sense.

Of course Europe is one of the worst places on the planet to be a pilot. Too much costs due to the government.

 

Thanks Rob...I can't believe how fast that Columbia is...200kts at 16 gph...very nice...quick math says that's roughly the same "gas mileage" as my SUV (converting to statutory miles and guessing at delta between roads and straight line distances).

One data point I had was $285 wet per hour from a good friend with an SR22...so same ballpark as your estimate...I think he flies around 200 hours per year.

 

Yikes, I thought the Columbia was more fuel efficient than that. Of course I can't get up and go 200, but I can do an easy 160kts on ~ 11GPH.

I use my plane for business about 50%, and although it helps the bottom line a bit, there's still no real pay back in terms of paying for use. But - anything that muddies the 1040 waters is a good thing so I always add the schedule!

 

Hi Jason, I don t disagree. But 4 people in a cirrus from london to nice, I guess it will be a lot slower than British airways with 1h35 mins.
England is marginally better than France for the PPL. But I agree, flying is Europe is not freedom. rather the opposite.
I am also concerned by lack of talent and tiredness. After a full week of work, I am not sure I can reach the level of professionalism needed to achieve the safety I want for my family.
I would rather be comfy in the back of a learjet than a packed up airbus A320, but commercial flying is not too bad all things considered.
Will keep on dreaming.

 

Aircraft in Europe are much more expensive than in the US. That said, a King Air C90 or a Turbo Commander would do London - Nice very pleasantly, and at a lower cost than many other options. For that matter, a Citation Mustang would do it even better.

If you try to compare the cost to airlines, then you will never do it. Private air travel will never be as cheap as airlines, or even close. It has many other benefits, but they are often hard to quantify in financial terms, so if you are someone who only cares about the lowest cost, don't even bother...

 

I'd love to fly one to be like James Coburn character from In Like Flynt

 

I wouldn't let an HSI, flight director or AP interface scare me off. Bonanzas, Dukes and even C55 Barons often are so equipped. That is all standard GA fare.

 

Rob - is there an appreciable airframe difference between the earlier Columbia 400s equipped with Avidyne, versus the later ones like yours, with the G1000?

... and does the A/C work well?

 

Check out Sierra's Stallion conversion. Straight to fl 43, 1800 range, 360 kit cruise. They are going for 1.1M in today's market.

Some have Garmin panels.
Art

 

Oh, I agree. The more I look at those, the more I think that's a great setup. The only question is whether the newer airframe of a late CJ for the same money is a better way to go.

 

I have a few hundred hours in Lear 23s and 24s. They do climb like stink, but are not really fast, as jet aircraft go. Further, you will face noise restrictions at many airports and, as has been pointed out, buy a lot of fuel. They are simple, but unforgiving of error. Do yourself a favor, buy a 210.

 

Must be a 601P. Otherwise your not gonna get 230kts. 230 mph maybe.

 

Incidentally, I agree that the Aerostar is a wonderful airplane. It will fly faster with one engine feathered than a Cessna 310 does on two. If I were looking for a recip twin I would look no further. I'm not the 'source authority' of course, but I've flown just about everything from a P-51 to F-18, 777, most Corporate type aircraft and back to the Aeronca Champ (another great airplane).