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  1. Nike

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    #1 Nike, Jun 20, 2011
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    Hi guys!

    I saw this SWB at a local dealer here in Stockholm tonight, does anyone know if it is a real one or a fake and if it is real what serialnr is it? Looks as though it is registered in the UK. Sorry for the terrible picture but I only had my mobilephone and the dealership was closed.

    Rgds
    /Niklas
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  2. thepinkumbrella

    thepinkumbrella F1 Veteran

    Feb 26, 2006
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    Very real.
    # 2347 GT.

    Paul
     
  3. FERRARI-TECH

    FERRARI-TECH Formula 3

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    comp car ??
     
  4. thepinkumbrella

    thepinkumbrella F1 Veteran

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    #4 thepinkumbrella, Jun 21, 2011
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    No, 'standard' steel bodied car.
    Spent early life in USA before coming to Europe in late 1970s.

    Paul
     
  5. Flinch

    Flinch Formula Junior

    Nov 15, 2009
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    Niklas, which dealer is that? I will be in Stockholm soon, so I might want to go and see it and drewl all over it
     
  6. Nike

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    May 8, 2011
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    Thanks for the info. Did not think I would see a real SWB in Sweden.

    /Niklas
     
  7. Nike

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    I saw it at Callismas showroom. Does not seem to be listed among the cars they have for sale at their website though, does somebody know if it is for sale?

    www.callisma.se

    /Niklas
     
  8. ted walker

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    Feb 7, 2009
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    Seems very strange why the car carries a 1982 UK reg No. Why was it not given a period No when UK registered, unless no period proof was available !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. bertrand59

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    This registration used in Techno Classica Essen D 2009 ( picture by peter singhof ) but I found some mistake in the past with his pictures......

    Also 2347GT being at France Tour Auto with Carlo Perego but not confirmed by any body else!

    there is two or three month Ferrorosso.com claim sold 2347GT (with picture of serial number plate ).

    So thepinkumbrella, have you got another information ?
     
  10. adonai87

    adonai87 Formula Junior

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  11. dim

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    #11 dim, Jun 29, 2011
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2011
    This one is a replica based on 330GT
    From DVLA -
    The vehicle details for ABW 193C are:

    Date of Liability 01 02 2012
    Date of First Registration 02 02 2011
    Year of Manufacture 1965
    Cylinder Capacity (cc) 4000CC
    ...
    Vehicle Colour BLUE
     
  12. adonai87

    adonai87 Formula Junior

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    thank for the info!
     
  13. michael platzer

    michael platzer F1 Veteran

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    do you know the s/n?
     
  14. dim

    dim Karting

    Nov 5, 2003
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    No. This car even not registered on Kerry`s 330GT website.
     
  15. Serenissma

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  16. Enigma Racing

    Enigma Racing Formula 3

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    I understand that the DVLA will not allow you to use a year registration plate with a date later than the date of original manufacture. This implies either that car or donor vehicle was manufactured after 1982 or someone has simply stuck the wrong plate on it
     
  17. Serenissma

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    #17 Serenissma, Dec 2, 2014
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  18. Paulo Ferrari

    Paulo Ferrari Formula Junior

    Mar 5, 2007
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    Soooooo beautifull, i love the 250 GT SWB. I just bought mine this week, but in 1:18 Scale - HW Elite He! He! Same model, same colour, maybe i will use this plate.
     
  19. Nike

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    #19 Nike, Dec 5, 2014
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2014
    Still owned by a man who is well known in Sweden for being friend of the king and also owns a very unique Daytona Spider along with a massive collection of other cars, correct?
     
  20. 4rePhill

    4rePhill F1 Veteran

    Oct 18, 2009
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    Wrong!

    The DVLA issues plates based on the year of first registration in the UK.

    If you bought a 250 SWB brand new "back in the day" and never registered it for use on the road at the time, then, come 1982 you decide to register it for road use, the DVLA would have issued you a 1982 plate not an original 1959 plate.


    It's a similar story for cars that have been imported into the UK - The DVLA will issue a plate for the car based on the year it was imported/first registered in the UK, so you could have a registration plate whose year letter is later than the cars manufacture date (This is how you can have such things as a 1990 348 registered on a 1997 "P" plate - Because the car was first registered in the UK in 1997).

    (In the case of this 250 SWB, that would imply that it was imported into the UK for the first time in 1982 - Hence the "X" plate).

    In both cases however, there's nothing to stop you registering the car with a period/age correct registration number so it's curious why the owner of this car didn't bother!

    In the case of cars first registered in the UK however, then yes, once it has been registered, you cannot apply for a plate newer than the original year of registration (which usually [but not always] matches the year of manufacture). So a 250 SWB registered in 1959 cannot be fitted with a 1960 onwards plate.


    Whilst this is a possibility, a 1982 donor car would indicate a 400i being used, which would require an unbelievable amount of work to the chassis/drive-train to make a decent stab at a replica, and anyone with that sort of money simply wouldn't bother when there are far better period cars that could be used to make a 250 SWB replica.

    I hope this explanation hasn't been too complicated for some of those reading it! - If you know the UK registration system then it should make perfect sense (I hope! :) )
     
  21. PAUL BABER

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    #21 PAUL BABER, Dec 7, 2014
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    Up until 1985...I maybe a year out....any car first registered in the UK was given the then current suffix.....in this case X ....denoting Aug 1981 /July 1982........I attach a photo of 1539GT when I owned it.....a 1959 250 SWB showing a 1964 suffix indicating the time it first entered the UK.......Historically DVLA records only recorded the date of entry into this country if it was an import and not year of manufacture.
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  22. Enigma Racing

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    Thanks Paul. You learn something new every day !
     
  23. PAUL BABER

    PAUL BABER Formula 3

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    Then maybe tomorrow I will learn how to make some money !!!
     

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