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Easy Fix to "Abrupt Shifting" 458 DCT

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  1. rickwjenn

    rickwjenn Formula Junior

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    Over the last few drives, my 2013 458 would increasing shift very hard and very abrupt. Felt like the clutches were engaging before engine RPMs were matched thus creating lurches or big doses of engine braking at the lighting speed this marvel shifts as.

    On Saturday , it was so bad I had to put it auto mode. On the way home, the "Gear Box" failure light came on and I parked it in the garage.

    Wasted time on Sunday reading and worrying about the DCT issues on early cars. Sensor packages for $4k. New DCTs for $28K. etc.

    Called the San Diego Ferrari dealer this AM and chatted with a service tech. He said the DCT transmissions are SUPER sensitive to Voltage and, even a few millivolts drop will cause issues. My car is three years old so I swung by and bought a new factory battery.

    Put the battery in and the DCT shifts as smooth as the day I took delivery. Made me realize the shifting had become gradually more "abrupt" over the last few weeks as the battery must of hit end of life.

    Also, I always used the battery conditioner and the Service Tech told me the conditioner just keeps the battery at is charge level, never increases it. So as the battery ages, the charge level drops, and all the conditioner does is keep it at that level between drives.

    Anyway thought I would share for those with 2-3 years on their battery....
     
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  2. Dolceexte

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    I have to say my 2014 458 spider felt this way will get it checked!
     
  3. 458trofeo

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    Thanks for the info!

    All the more reason to get a lightweight Lithium Ion battery..
     
  4. spiders

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    Periodically check the quick release clamp on the battery terminal. If the connector is not pushed all the way down tight before clamping, the connector can eventually vibrate loose and move slightly up the conical shaped terminal post. If this happens, the connector is held in place only by gravity. It will slip when you push on it and may even lift off with finger pressure. A loose connection means trouble for the sensitive electronics in these cars.
     
  5. italiafan

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    Sounds as if we should think of a new battery as part of every biannual major maintenance....what is one installed, $400 or so?
     
  6. Randyslovis

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    I started a thread in January entitled "The best $1500 I ever spent." In it, I spoke about replacing the battery. For the reasons you site and the electronics sensitivity in the dash and elsewhere, a perfectly functioning battery is a must.
    Additionally, I would argue that because these cars are so computer dependent that going to your dealer - if convenient - to just clear error codes probably helps performance. View it like a computer at home that slows due to cookies etc. building up. Have them just hook up OBD and clear the codes. Takes minutes. Wouldn't be surprised if this helps drivability.
    Best
     
  7. rickwjenn

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    Damn - wish I had thought of that. The factory battery is at least 50 lbs! It is a beast to lift and navigate into the passenger foot well compartment.

    I think I will order one now! It takes about 30 minutes to remove:

    Leather cover Under glove box
    Upper Cross bar bracket
    Battery hold down
    Lower battery clamp fixture
    Negative cable (has a cool lever release)
    Positive cable (which is a pain in the ass due to the complex cover).
     
  8. rickwjenn

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    +1

    I also have a PC based Code OBD code reader. Forgot to do that and will check and clear codes tonight. Only time I used on my 458 I got a beautiful sight - no codes :)
     
  9. Melvok

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    Here is the link
     
  10. rickwjenn

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    I paid $560 for my battery at the dealer. Thought it would be covered with the ferrari stickers like OEM, but it is not. It is an official part.

    I am going to go find the light weight lithium battery....
     
  11. Need4Spd

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    Lithium ion batteries can overheat and catch fire. I'd rather get a good AGM replacement like an Interstate MP-7/48.
     
  12. Randyslovis

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    To Melvok, grazie mille for posting my thread.
    In regards to Interstate battery, much less than 50 lbs.
    In regards to lithium battery, I cannot justify unknowns with fire risk, etc. Additionally, as I do not track car where any weight savings might help, it loses another of its benefits for me. Net, given all the above and the cost which I believe is > 1K (based on another thread here a few weeks back) I just don't see the benefit.
    Rick, good luck with code reader -hope all is well - and good luck with the Li battery.
    Best
     
  13. Noblesse Oblige

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    Sounds like Dale, a man who really knows these cars....
     
  14. rickwjenn

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    Thanks - I was looking at the prices and the pros/cons on the Li batteries. Definitely not a slam dunk.
     
  15. Randyslovis

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    If I am not mistaken, Porsche now has Li battery option. If Ferrari had one as factory option I would feel better using one. NOT that I trust Ferrari implicitly. Lord knows the poorly engineered things they have done over the years. Rather, with the complicated electrical systems these cars now have, I am afraid to mess with any part of their manufactured equations.
    Keep us posted.
    Randy
     
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  16. Dolceexte

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    I have to say the electrical system clicks and knocks when you are stop and go in traffic, have you heard that in your 458s?


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  17. 4th_gear

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    Reducing the weight of the battery will definitely change the weight balance of your car and may adversely affect traction and handling. People put rear wings on race cars to increase pressure on the drive wheels, to improve traction, especially when cornering. Reducing weight on your rear wheels can make the car less stable in the corners.

    I am also not sure the 458's charging circuitry will work on a lithium battery. Even the AGM battery has a different charging voltage level requirement from the standard starter battery and will not work 100% unless that is sorted.

    You need to be very careful substituting a battery different from the OE unit.

    No. He's completely wrong. Why would car manufacturers provide a charger that only maintains whatever charge the battery has discharged to - makes no sense at all?

    The regular 458 battery tender is simply very weak when it comes to recharging the battery. It can recharge the battery so long as it is not already discharged beyond 50% capacity or so. But it will take more than a day to do so. However, if you buy a proper battery tender like the CTEK 7002 or 25000, they will can very quickly recharge your battery even if it's discharged past 50%.
     
  18. PhilNotHill

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    My OEM tender says "charger" right on it.

    Best
     
  19. 458trofeo

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    Here you go Rick:

    https://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/braille/product_batteries/i48cx

    I have the 48cx in my Italia now for about 2 months and love it :)

    I can get the same battery for around $1400 from my source, shoot me a pm
    if interested, best
     
  20. rickwjenn

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  21. Nex

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    Anyone have suggestions for aftermarket batteries vs the OE one? I've heard Odyssey and interstate. Anyone know the model numbers?
    Thanks
     
  22. Caeruleus11

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    Great point! I think everyone with these cars would be best served by keeping the included tender packed away and using the 7002.

    And here is a solution for connecting to the factory connector:

    https://www.kumari.net/index.php/cars/ferrari-battery-charger-cable
     
  23. Nex

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    Just another quick question. I currently use a battery tender charger for all my other cars. It hooks directly to the positive and negative posts of the battery.
    Would that be a better option than the factory included charger?
     
  24. rost12

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    It's not about how it's connected to the car, it's about what it can actually do. The better CTEK models can and will maintain the health of a battery, whereas a cheap battery charger (the one shipped with the cars) can't. Get a better CTEK charger, pay for an adapter dongle because Ferrari cheeky, and enjoy a battery that will last much longer.
     
  25. 308mash

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    ^^^
    this
     

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