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That game plan sounds GREAT, but it sure didn't work for Kovalev against Ward the second time. Unfortunately its not that easy or he would have done it the 1st time.
I'm not a HUGE Canelo fan but hey to go up in weight and fight 12 hard fought rounds with GGG, gotta give him a bit of credit. Forget all the political BS. Canelo is a very good fighter. So is GGG. It was a good fight. I can see where the bitterness comes in, if your a GGG fan. I get it.

 

You mean to go DOWN in weight. Don't forget Canelo just came down from a Super Middleweight fight with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

 

Truth.

I highly doubt we will see a rematch unless GGG is pushing 40. The rematch will have to be on GGG's terms this time and there is simply no way Canelo/De La Hoya will agree to even half the terms. Why GGG agreed to their terms in the first place is beyond me, it was stacked from the beginning.....

 

I think he agreed because that's what the people wanted, and the fight wouldn't happen if he didn't agree to Canelo's terms.

I don't care for a rematch though.

 

You know what I mean. I have a hunch your sharper than that.

 

I'm sure you know that Canelo was never really a super welterweight. Just because he was able to shed the weight for his fights, he always rehydrated 20+ lbs. He's always came in the ring weighing more like a super middleweight. Even GGG never came in more than 170 on fight night.

 

Still here saying GGG is the most overhyped, disappointing boxer to come on the scene in recent memory.

If all the GGG fanboys the last few years were to believed, the irrepressible GGG was supposed to be the most devastating knockout puncher with hitherto unwitnessed strength, capable of walking right through all opponents and dispatching them all in short order.

The reality?

Meh.

Make no mistake, I do think GGG is a good boxer, but electrifying World Champion that defines boxing greatness?

Not-so-much.

I tried really hard to become a believer, I even talked to some former World Champions who have more experienced eyes, and I even invested the time watching this fight several times hoping GGG would appear more dominant to me each time I watched it...

Sorry, didn't work, his performance was very underwhelming relative to the hype the GGG fanboys have preached the past few years.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it.

Agreed, and a few people in my boxing fraternity who know much better than I, feel the same way.

Like Big George said, real Champions don't cry about the judges fixing the fight (poor calls have been happening since sport was invented), real Champions either dominate in an indisputable way, or, they "fix" the fight themselves with their hands.

If GGG was as good as his fanboys promised he was, he should have dominated in a manner that was unquestionable, indisputable, beyond doubt, or, if he was really good enough, he should have knocked Canelo out. Period.

In reality, he survived a close fight, they both fought well, and, I'll give a marginal victory to GGG, but it was not a dominating performance in any way shape or form, Canelo was still there landing potent shots in round 12.

GGG fanboys appear not to accept other opinions or allow facts to get in the way of discussions about GGG, therefore agreements are unlikely to be forthcoming.

Good summation, I agree on all points.

As regards the bitterness you refer to, I think we need to be understanding, it's difficult being a GGG fanboy, there is a lot of work involved, there is all the explaining you have to do, the spinning of theories of how his performance was somehow great, the reconciliation of the disappointment, it's tough, not easy.

 

Sorry Joe, but who are you? Couple things: you have a vested financial interest in making sure you're a fan of potential clients, which GGG will undoubtedly not be as he's not really a car guy.

Two: the finest boxers and judges on the world have weighed in on GGG and praise his skills to the highest, who you heck are you? And more importantly who are you talking to as the expert world is on fire for the guy. George is a character but his touch with reality is clearly lacking, I say that as kindly as I'm able for a guy who thought it prudent to name all his kids George. And Sugar as too in love with himself to say anyone is that great. Everyone who matters though has nothing but praises for the guy.

Floyd couldn't knock out an inferior young Canelo to what we saw recently. Sugar couldn't knock out Hagler and many if not most believed he lost that fight, I could go on. Knocks outs at that level just aren't common in anything but heavyweights. Canelo was at his very best, a Canelo that would have detached Floyd, and he got thrown on the ropes all night. That is a cold fact he's going to have to deal with the rest of his life as he is a middle ring fighter who couldn't ever make it to the moddle ring.

No offense, but the jury is back on this one and the haters have been silenced as just haters.

 

Well said. Even my friend who hates GGG and has been saying that GGG got exposed with Brook and Jacobs didn't have anything bad to say after the GGG-Canelo fight, saying it was a good one. He still agrees with a draw, but as far as talking **** about GGG, he hasn't said a word since then.

 

Ferraripilot, your comment: "Knocks outs at that level just aren't common in anything but heavyweights."
Makes me think I'm not talking to an educated boxing fan. Comm'on, I know you are.
Let this one go. It's ok to disagree. Your a GGG fan. No need to knock other members and there so called "vested interests".
Stick to the thread. We're having fun.

 

Relax John don't blow a head-gasket.

Allow me to tell you who I am - I'm a boxing enthusiast like you, whose opinion is as legitimate as yours

I just happen to be one of many who feels GGG is highly overrated. Whether you like it or not, not everyone feels GGG lives up to the billing espoused by the hordes of GGG fanboys who built him up as the second coming, and you cannot force people to see it the way you do. As I said, in all fairness, he's a good boxer, but, overrated, and as I also said, that's my position and I'm sticking with it, just as I'm sticking with my position that the performance with Canelo was not a dominating one. If GGG had dominated, there would be no scoring controversy! What part of that fact do you fail to understand? Anyway, as Armen suggests, we can agree to disagree, or, just deal with the fact that not everyone feels the way you do.

Remember, you invited me into this conversation by asking where I was, and I obliged your invitation by confirming that I still feel that GGG is a hype-job, you asked for it, so can't you handle my opinion? C'mon, I know you are not that insecure

You mention that "the finest boxers & judges praise GGG", perhaps, but a number of multiple ex-World Champions and many others besides (just Google "GGG overrated"), don't. Do you seriously think GGG has 100% support amongst boxing experts, and fans alike? The apparent notion that you do is the definition of a fanboy.

As regards Ray & George, I have zero "vested interests" in being a fan of theirs (and therefore being against other boxers) because, in case you forgot, they retired years ago, so your premise is as flawed as the scoring of a boxing judge who recently got benched! FWIW I met Ray by chance 27 years ago because his wife-to-be lived in the same building as my wife-to-be, and George simply connected regarding his F40, so in fact our contact is basically family & business-based, boxing rarely ever comes up. Because my small boxing fraternity consists of retired World Champions, I think this puts them in a good position to give experienced unbiased perspectives about today's fighters as neither have any current affiliations with GGG or any of his opponents.

I think you are taking all this way too seriously, most of us, as also suggested, are just having fun

 

The general consensus among professional fighters AND the general public is that GGG won that fight, by a LARGE margin of people too, ESPECIALLY among the Mexican crowd at the fight that were rooting for Canelo. THAT says a lot. So you're actually in the minority that thinks Canelo won, and that's okay, you're allowed to be wrong . But all joking aside, GGG may not have destroyed Canelo, but he certainly did enough to beat him in the eyes of most people.

 

I'm a fan of both fighters. I guess that makes me a "Canelo and GGG fan boy". Still the fight was a good one. Anybody who doesn't think the judging was flawed should be watching a different sport. That goes without saying for Adelaide Byrd who should be banished from judging. I wanted the best fighter to win. Unbiased fans and biased Canelo fans had Golovkin winning that fight. We all get it. Nobody loses and Vegas gets a rematch and another influx of cash. Ah, the business of boxing. Watch the fight and see how Canelo was booed at the end of the fight. That venue was filled with Mexican fans who booed him. Sure Golovkin could have been more "dominant" but he still outpointed Canelo and was the effective aggressor for at least 7 of the 12 rounds.

 

I really don't feel like going thru all the posts again, But can you please tell me where it says one of us feels Canelo won the fight?

 

You're stating GGG didn't dominate the fight, therefore inferring he didn't win. GGG didn't dominate Canelo a la Gabriel Rosado, but he still slightly dominated him enough for a win. I guess you're one of those people that would only give the win to GGG only if he KO'd Canelo. That seems to be the excuse the Canelo camp is giving us, "it was GGG fault for not KO'ing Canelo".

 

Your messed up, Now your assuming things. As we both know It WAS a draw. Like I quoted before , Yes I felt GGG did win the fight by a 7-5 or 8-4 margin. Was it a dominant performance? NO! What's not comprehending? You gotta read the previous posts. I think the only thing we are not agreeing on is that I feel GGG is not all that. No big deal. It's my opinion. Take a deep breath and let it go.

 

Sure.

 

What part of my post above "In reality he survived a close fight, they both fought well, and, I'll give a marginal victory to GGG" did you miss or not understand?

Your erroneous assertion that I think Canelo won the fight proves that you do not even read or acknowledge the details of what other people are saying, because, you are a dedicated GGG fanboy

Did you also miss the part where I posted "I do think GGG is a good boxer" above?

I think I have been entirely fair in my position by acknowledging what I truly see, but the fact remains that GGG has an undeniable reputation for being the most overrated boxer in recent memory - go online and type in "GGG overrated" and there are literally thousands of links, some by reputable sources who make a good case for this. Face it, no other boxer has the "overrated" stigma like GGG has. Remember he was supposed to be the most devastating knockout puncher with supposedly amazing strength capable of walking through all opponents and dispatching them in short order. This is what we were lead to believe, and you can't deny that the reality has been somewhat disappointing.

The definition of "overrated" in the dictionary and elsewhere is "something that doesn't live up to its reputation or the hype surrounding it" and something "given an undue amount of credit for quality in a field". It sounds to me like GGG is the poster-child for the word 'overrated', and at some point if you type in that word you'll see a picture of him!

Many experts feel his skills are basic, he gets hit a lot, and he can't get the job done with fighters that others have dominated.

 

IMVHO, a dominant performance is where the losing fighter is overwhelmed and outclassed, and the net result is either a KO, or a result like 10-2 or 9-3, but who am I?

 

Agreed!

 

One of the best KO specialists of all time.

**This fight was at Super Middleweight, close enough to Middleweight. **

Go to 25 minutes in.

 

Who am I to disagree?

Sorry, I saw the shot, so I had to take it, Mayweather-Ortiz style

Seriously though, Big George was on to something, who needs judges?

 

I'll put it this way. Floyd's legacy as a great fighter, if one can call him that, is further diminished by the recent fight. Floyd barely touched a very young and green Canelo, whilst GGG undoubtedly closed off the ring and stunned a much more mature Canelo in his prime. Floyd is further confirmed as a paper fighter only, a phony in the mightiest of ways.

You gents denying GGG are in the very small minority. Who has a higher KO % in that category with other fighters faces literally being broken? No sense arguing it any more as it's incredibly clear why Canelo didn't take the fight for as long as he was able. Everyone is continuing to be outraged, even the bloody stadium full of Canelo fans on the night were outraged. The outrage continues. It's sad for boxing they can deal withe floyd's circus but not allow GGG a clear win. What a world.

 

You do understand the pool of experts dissenting GGG's dominance is indeed very small right? I say again that you sir, and the few others who have lost their credibility as experts, are in that very very small minority.

 

You, and 'they', are again in a very small minority of individuals dissenting GGG. That is a 100% fact.

Check out landed punches, and where Canelo was the entire fire, and you can see this was indeed dominating. Cold facts here, but don't let facts get in the way with disagreeing with a friend I guess