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Discussion in 'Creative Arts' started by jm2, Oct 19, 2012.

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  1. energy88

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    You made your point! Especially the pic of the white Honda. Simpler is better- a.k.a. early C3-type plain opening. Looks like somebody was trying too hard.
     
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    Visually perhaps that style of grill is an issue. However yet again we have form following function. The new details of the design are all about managing the air flow more effectively. Every part is on there for a reason. The giant grill mesh actually flows air better than simply having an open space; hard as that is to believe...
     
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    The winds of change are blowing through the front office in Sant'Agata Bolognese. Not only does Lamborghini have a new chief executive, but now it named a new chief designer as well. And he comes from Porsche.

    Mitja Borkert is his name, and he's been working in the Porsche design department since 1999. He headed up its advanced design office until 2014 when he was named head of exterior design for the company. The Macan, Cayenne, and the new 987 Boxster were all heavily influenced by his work, as were concepts like the Panamera Sport Turismo and Mission E.

    As the new director of the Centro Stile at Lamborghini, Borkert takes over from Felippo Perini, who's heading over to run Italdesign – a job that used to belong to Wolfgang Egger. The once-independent design firm was taken over by the Volkswagen Group in 2010, and recently saw its famous founder Giorgetto Giugiaro leave to start another office afresh. The shift in the design office follows hot on the heels of the announcement that longtime CEO Stephan Winkelmann is leaving for Audi's Quattro GmbH, and that former Scuderia Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali is moving in to take his place on the outskirts of Bologna.

    Considering how different their design approaches are, it will be interesting to see how a longtime Porsche designer applies his skills to Lamborghinis. Will future Raging Bulls go softer and more rounded, or will Borkert have to pull some new tricks out from his sleeve?
    It looks like Lamborghini is moving to the wild side!
     
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    The Lamborghini looks nice but slightly over complicated. If they can get that windshield to pass a crash test they deserve a lot of credit. I like that the front and rear design have some of the same details. How do you get in the car? Sort of reminds me of the Maserati Birdcage from 2005 around the cockpit area.
     
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    You might want to consider that in many cases Design is making the appearance as if managing air flow. Some could be very real while others are more for visual effect. Wouldn't be the first time.
     
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    I am inclined to say that the move to Lambo will be more liberating. Lambo is less about specifics in their design language than they are about being more extreme. Lambo is also going to have a lot more latitude in the package than Porsche so many of the compromises will not have to be made.

    Lambos are the designers' sketches.
     
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    Absolutely true; but being on the outside you mostly have to believe what they tell you is going on in the wind tunnel and with their design choices.
     
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    Tangentially related to the design moves afoot in the corporate car world.....the newest Singer Porsche is an interesting study on whether one can adapt 21st c. aero to a mid 20th c. basic design.....wonder if there is anything matching under the car
    ..... also an interesting little bit of trompe l oeil going on with the backlight.....seems to be just paint?
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    Singer "RSR"?
     
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    Peter has lost it this week on some of his predictions.... Some photos of the 2019 ZR1, and what he thinks the world of car companies will look like in a few years.

    http://www.autoextremist.com/
     
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    I found it fun to read. Maybe a bit alcohol influenced but there certainly is a lot of biting sarcasm in there. He does show several highly personal biases - McLaren and Ferrari are two.
     
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    Which part of the backlight are you referring to?
     
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    Wonder if the top part is some kind of an air vent?
     
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    A complete new opening in the roof panel? (prob ok since it's likely CF anyway?) My first assumption was 'just' paint.......
     
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    Looks like maybe airflow from the roof 'slot' through and over the rear light?

    Downforce?
     
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    Could a "Singer" version of Ferrari work? I know things get out of whack when you modify a Ferrari but I wonder if the Singer approach could work on 70's and 80's Ferrari's.

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    The short answer is probably yes..........but just because you CAN.......doesn't necessarily mean you SHOULD! :)
    But I think to address your question, the original cost of the car would be so high, then add the cost of 'modifications' and the price could get pretty crazy very quickly
     
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    I would add that the Porsche community has a long history of tweaking their cars with later generation updates. The Ferrari world has mostly been populated with purists.
     
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    Maybe take that tarted up Boxer and apply a "Singer" treatment to it. It's already a lost cause so you never know, you might end up with something good. :p

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    It certainly looks more commercial than the SCG 003. The design is a bit more tame but has some interesting lines. Hard to judge the size from those picture. However a 308 GTB size would make this car unique in the current era of bloated supercars. Room for three sort of dissuades that idea.
    One can hope and that 2600 pound weight is a very notable achievement by itself with a turbo motor!
     
  23. energy88

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    Is certainly a cleaner application of the "flying buttress" styling cue that is starting to gain popularity. Better than the NSX and on a par with the new Ford GT.

    While on the link, I also happened to notice an article about the Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus SCG-oo3 that merits some discussion. While a lot busier than the 004S, the SCG-003 has some very pleasing basic proportions that could be cleaned up along the simple lines of the 004S and might result in the ultimate "wow factor" GT sports car. Maybe jm2s students would like to tackle such a merger of styling cues.

    https://jalopnik.com/scuderia-cameron-glickenhaus-scg-003-this-is-it-1688308787
     

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