2021 F1 changes

Waaahhhhh I have arrived at the point that I do not care if they leave. Its old news. Its whatever for me.

- https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/134833/wolff-warns-f1-not-to-provoke-ferrari-boss

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff has warned Formula 1's chiefs against 'provoking' Sergio Marchionne, because there is a real danger of him pulling Ferrari out of F1.

Ferrari Marchionne chairman has warned several times that if future F1 rules do not suit his business he will shut down his grand prix team.

While some have accused Marchionne of scaremongering, and repeating a tactic that Ferrari has used many times in the past to get its own way on rules, Wolff thinks that the threats need to be taken seriously this time.

Having forged a close alliance with Ferrari as they work to settle on F1 regulations that suit manufacturers, Wolff feels he has good knowledge of Marchionne's mindset.

"Don't provoke Sergio Marchionne," said Wolff, when asked about Ferrari's threats to quit F1. "I think that F1 needs Ferrari more than Ferrari needs F1.

 

Question to you the Ferrari faithful:
A) Do you believe the sweater would pull the team if he doesn't get his way on engine regs, reduced payout and/or looses the veto? B) Do you really care anymore?
There is a lot of negativity on (possibly the most 'patriotic' of fan base forums?

Also, if they called F1/FIA's bluff and pulled out, do you think they'd regret it and be back in a couple of years, or do you think F1 would rue the decision and do everything to reverse it?

Finally, if Ferrari did pull the plug, what do you think they'd to instead? Full time back to Sports car racing? Or re-badge the possible/rumored/vaporware Alfa Indy car engine as a Ferrari? Both? Other?

 

Todt must have some shares in formula E. He’s doing his best to destroy F1.

 

They’d instead sell FAR less red/yellow/black merchandise...which is just one of many reasons why it’ll never happen.

I don’t believe for a second that emotion will trump business logic at Ferrari. The tremendous cost to create a competitive series combined with the opportunity cost of not selling $75 t-shirts to crowds that already exist due to the efforts of others...makes it an empty threat...just like the last time...and the time before that...etc.

 

Toyota? No. GM? No. VAG? No. KIA? No. Ford? No. PSA? No. BMW? No. This leaves no one else, really.

 

I should have stated, others have expressed interest as in sending reps to meetings on the proposed 2021 changes....VAG(Audi or Lambo), Porsche and Cosworth w/backing from Aston.

 

Poll: If Ferrari ever left Formula 1, would you stop watching?

Yes - 37
No - 34
Part Time - 25


https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/if-ferrari-ever-left-formula-1-would-you-stop-watching.563588/

 

A) No. Its a scare tactic that works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. Having Toto legitimize it just makes it seem more real this time.
B) No. Its more politics. I wish they'd just get on with racing, but when Billion$$$ are involved it has to be political unfortunately

If Ferrari actually does pull out, FIA would act like nothing happened and keep up appearances. If another team follows suit they'd s*** themselves and do whatever it took to keep a mass exodus from happening, and to get Ferrari back. Whoever else followed Ferrari out the door would then be paid to come back as well. My money is on McLaren or Williams being said other team.

If they did pull out, I'd hope they would invest a little in a factory GTE program, more-so than they have now with Risi, and do it right against Ford and Chevy in IMSA, along with a full WEC and Blancpain program. I hope they do that anyways though so I can benefit from it

Doubt they'd get involved with INDYCAR other than the satellite Alfa program that's been suggested.

 

Ferrari are so marketing dependent on F1 that I just can't see them leaving. Their DNA is F1. The other series are all support acts. Its a huge bluff.

 

Toto is playing the sweater...it’s the F1 version of ‘good cop, bad cop.’

 

Exactly how I see it. What’s the point of dumbing down PUs now? Just wait and they’ll become cheaper and more convergent by themselves. Mgu-h is coming to road cars but suddenly too complex for f1?



https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/is-f1-missing-easy-ways-fix-on-track-problems-1046766/

F1 is working flat out to improve the spectacle of the racing for the future. But does one of its upcoming changes carry the risk of spreading teams out further?

With the top three teams winning GPs so far, would you say F1 has reached the so-called 'engine convergence', and is it wrong to introduce a brand new engine given one manufacturer will tend to get the upper hand?
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Any time that the regulations change with either the engine or chassis, there is an opportunity to get it right or get it wrong. Everyone follows the path of best returns from their research, but sometimes you can go down the wrong path - just as Renault did in 2014 and Honda did in '15.

Recovering from that poor choice of direction is both time consuming and very expensive. It's not really anyone's fault, it's just that somewhere along the line someone made the wrong decision.

Over the four-and-a-half years that we've had these hybrid regulations, the engine manufacturers have definitely got closer. I still think Renault and Honda need to find that little bit, but there are another two years to go before the planned engine change for 2021 comes into play. So there's time for them to catch up with Mercedes. But for now at least, no-one is coming away from a race weekend embarrassed.

I don't think we should be having a major change to what we currently have. Yes, we should dot the i's and cross the t's, but the concept should stay the same, just with a major cost reduction for engine supply for the customer teams.

The MGU-H, which I wasn't a fan of when it was introduced, is what appears to be getting dropped. But it's probably one of the best things that has come out of the 2014 hybrid regulations. It's ideal for the road car industry, where small-cubic-capacity turbo engines are the trend, as you can use that motor to spin up the turbo, reducing any lag and also hold the turbo back at higher engine rpm to reduce the boost pressure and, in turn, the fuel consumption. And at the same time as charging up a small battery pack solely for what I would now call the MGU-Turbo.

Add to that package an electric motor and a bigger battery pack and you have a hybrid version of more or less the same car. With everyone going fully electric, it's too much too soon - go halfway and allow time for battery development and the required charging stations etc to be put in place.

 

No. The MGU-H is too complex for some F1 FANS.

 

You mean the ones Liberty is trying to lure away from Nascar?

 

The fans don't care about any of this hybrid crap. Never have, never will. I've never once heard someone say, man what really turned me onto F1 is that thermal efficiency! That said, I have heard countless fans (and drivers for that matter) complain about this horrible sound and the convoluted engine regs.

 

Not all of us are the same. Still think removing the mgu-h completely is a mistake. Was a mistake introducing it so quickly but a bigger one removing it now that is finally relevant.

 

No but you listen to the vast majority. Even the FIA/Brawn have admitted they made a mistake with these engines. They're TERRIBLE for the fans.

 

So chances are they made another mistake with these new ones. Why not just give more freedom? Wonder who has the new specs already in hand and started developing in advance this time...

 

Please don’t make assumptions and speak for me...

And, specifically what is convoluted about the engine regs? I find them to be fairly straightforward. The penalty structure is confusing, but I don’t see anything convoluted about the power units.

 

Gee Mercedes again maybe?

 

The other thing was that these current engines were introduced so that the same spec could run in Lmp1 and F1 but now both specs are getting changed in completely different directions? It’s just a big mess. Spending more money in the name of cost-savings.

 

seriously? they're absurdly complex. The restrictions and grid penalties suck.

it's taken honda...****ing HONDA...4 years to even get semi-competitive. not a good sign

 

They're dumping the crap in LMP1 too because it's too expensive and no one cares about it.

 

A fan doesn't need to build an MGU-K... they just need to understand what it does and when it does it. Complex engines are not the same as "convoluted engine regs."

As far as Honda is concerned, I will quote the late FastIan: it's supposed to be hard.

 

Is it not funny as some people pretend their opinion must be prevalent, and insist they speak for everybody when making statements.?
If you question them, their answer is that "You are not a car guy!!."
Because they don't understand technology, they are systematically against it, and cannot suffer the gremlins period most new systems have to endure.
The hybrid technology has made huge progress since it hit the track 4 years ago, and its case is certainly not hopeless.
I would think that by 2021, the engineers will have solved most of the issues that have plagued the first few years, and hybrid power units will be common place in several forms of racing, as they will be common on many street cars.

It will be a step back, IMO, if the MGU-K is abandoned in the next set of rules.

 

I could run circles around you as far as understanding technology goes. However, I'm also smart enough to realize that just because something is technologically advanced does not mean it's suitable for racing. We all know you are scared of noise and find anything loud or dramatic as unpleasant and would probably prefer if they were all electric. Fortunately, nearly all F1 fans disagree with that.

They're doing away with the MGU-K so you and Airhead better get used to it. As far as more and more hybrids in racing, looks like you couldn't be more wrong. Even LMP1 is doing away with the hyper expensive garbage. Bye bye. The fans have spoken. I am not "speaking for everyone" but apparently you two don't understand the meaning of a vast majority. The vast majority of F1 fans want louder engines back and don't give a damn about this hybrid nonsense. Looks like you and Airhead do and you're on the losing side of the battle with the next regs. I'll take the side of the fans, drivers and Ross Brawn. Sorry fellas!