488 Replacement

The V6 will have just one turbocharger. But it will be a very advanced model, with better performances than the actual twin turbo design

 

Oooooohhh sounds a bit racey. A bit F1 ish.

 

So it will have hybrid ? No lag ?

 

This is not really true. While there are shared components within the same generation, there are many changes from the previous gen. The 570S tub and 720S cage share no similarities with the 650S/12C tub. The 720S engine is a completely different engine, 4.0 liters vs 3.8, and the turbos went from mechanical wastegate TD04's to electronic TD05's on the 720S.

With that said, Ferrari does have a patent on an electric turbocharger. Best of both worlds. NA sound with boost. I think the 488 replacement will have that. It may require some batteries for stored energy to power them.

 

The 720 gets its capacity by being basically a stroked version of 650 engine. It is only a rework, same basic engine. 720 tub looks identical to a 570 tub with a roof on. This is a development of the 12C tub mainly with better sidesills. Didn’t know about the electric turbo patent. I wonder why this hasn’t been done before - seems like a real advantage?

 

It will still have the turbine on the exhaust side (just decoupled from the compressor) so exhaust will still be muffled.

 

The turbo charger powered by exhaust gasses is a very efficient use of otherwise wasted energy. Making a smaller engine with more power means having a more efficient power conversion of the fuel and the fossil fuel is going to still have to be the source for the ICE part of the system. I don't see this kind of hybrid design (electric turbos) which seems less energy efficient being better other than eliminating turbo lag. A secondary electric system is required to run the electric turbos at higher voltage, again, more complexity, more points of failure. It might make sense for F1 applications but on street cars I am not so sure.

Seems to me the Audi electric supercharger approach is just adding another layer of complexity and more points of failure in the design. Electric turbos mean more software and more room for errors there too. I don't experience turbo lag in the 488 because of the way Ferrari brings the power and torque in, it's tapered and so you don't get the big launch off the line but the benefits of efficiency and higher power are still there in the power band.

 

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/20/ferrari-patents-fascinating-electric-turbocharger/

 

That’s very clever, the sort of tech Ferrari have become so good at. This idea genuinely removes turbo lag if they want it to - the intake side and exhaust side are simply not connected. It also seems to remove the wastegate because additional boost seems to be used elsewhere in the driveline.

 

I hope they expand the options list - Would love to see electrochromic windows

 

I wonder if it will always have the turbine spinning- I wonder if they have a way to bypass this turbine- and thus give a purer sound. I doubt it could be used all the time, but if they adopt regen brakes, it might be possible.

 

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This is the "mulotipo"... new components, old body...

The car with camo is the "prototipo".. brand new car

 

Ha ha...The next car will likely have none of these attributes you desire

 

I heard recently that 488 replacement will be shown at Geneva - car been brought forward from Frankfurt 2019 reveal - deliveries to commence in Q3/4. Pista & Spider all sold out so no reason to hold back new car.


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That would be awesome! I plan on going to Geneva. Hopefully it's there!

 

They decide how they distribute the production anyway, so I do not think there could have been any reason to delay or move backward a new car related to the sales of the Pista.
Actually introducing a new car sooner than expected would more probably indicate issues with current range sales than the opposite.
Anyway, for some time the "consensus" has been that in Geneva they'll introduce a V8 positioned higher than the 488 and that later they'll present a V6 to really replace the 488 (as far as I understood).

 

This topic has been doing the rounds on this forum and I can’t really understand it. From what I am told the car being spoken about is in fact the 488 replacement. Anyway, there will be lots of speculation - we will know more in the next few months with previews slated for December - although that sounds very early to preview a launch car for Geneva (March). Time will tell.

488 orders must certainly have gone off a cliff - lots of barely used 488s available on market. All production now allocated to Pistas - and Spider (quietly) not limited like previous versions.


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In this case it could be that they cannot fill the production with the far more expensive Pista and need something else to cover for the diminishing 488 sales.

 

F142M-FL could be seen as a replacement for 488...

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Doubt that - Ferrari been there before. As soon as Special Version launched the “standard” model will taper - usually quite planned and predictable. 488 not exactly a slow car so no reason for demand to fall unusually. Ferrari would have known about 720S for a while - everything quite predictable. The Ferrari product guys are superb at sensing market demand and meeting it (or as the case typically is - just not meeting it)


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I have a wagyu burger bet with my dealer that the above is what will happen - My info is from FChat - no idea where he gets his info from

 

Your dealer probably getting it from the Horse's mouth

 

I should clarify - The above is what I think - he has a different view i.e. the 488 replacement will be in Geneva NOT the car positioned above the 488 - Apologies

 

Well, the dealers usually get their info straight from Maranello. I'm afraid you'll lose the Wagyu burger!