Everything is relative to what the driver is coming from or benchmarking against. I tracked the 600 too, although it is varsely improved against the 570, very good mechanical grip, good feedback, playful chassis, etc I still feel it is no better than a 488 GtB on track given similar tyres. Or for that matter a GT3, which may be slower and slightly less playful but certainly a more precisely tuned track tool and u pocket yourself a lot of change. 600 is a great effort by mcl tho, but as others have said, the engine is very uninspiring and the sound is so .... hmm...monotone. The more time I spend in it, the more I feel disconnected from having a fulfilling driving experience. But that’s not to say the car is not good, just for me it’s not good enough, but still a great product from Mcl.
I can - had a good enough go in it. Has a great chassis with great turn in, brakes felt better than previous Macs, but needs a decent engine to do the car justice. Also not convinced on the seating and comfort either. I feel personal judgement will come down to what you are stepping out of and in saying that I could not imagine swapping my 488 for it least of all forego a Pista allocation. But great car though. No denying that. As planner said 600 is a vast improvement over 570 - was never impressed with that car and even less now.... Btw 600 still sounds terrible....agricultural.
Understand. But see again there is so much more to a car than just being fast. Especially when 99% of owners will be unable to extract anywhere near the numbers that a Pro driver can. So, it comes down to more than simply bigger power and faster numbers. This is where Ferrari and certain others continue to excel..
Im thinking since they have the PISTA up and going a facelift 488 could be just revamp of the aero goodies of the PISTA . Radiators , air intakes , side openings , rear and possible front. Mechanics however the same and for a better word plush interior. Then the release of the Big and small brothers. This still would keep under the PISTA. also not too much work for Ferrari and a new line.Many car companies have done this. Gee I have even owned a factory claytons M3. I really see this will be strategy plan as this could keep them going until 2021 for the new cars.
Ferr9000 says: "But in 2019 we will only see the number 8 twice and the number 12 once". My interpretation of the above cryptic message is that the "number 8 twice" will be reflected in the cheaper "little brother's" model number - say 388 or 588 - being a 3.0 V6T and, "the number 12 once" will be another version of the current 812, possibly a spider or harder edged reworked version of the 812. Maybe this little brother 488 replacement could have similar performance of v8 488 but not the cred of the V8 engine - now that's a possibility - along with a revamped interior.. MI etc. Still not a great a great situation for 488 or Pista for that matter, but still better than being completely outdone on all fronts. To introduce a new v8tt car which will out perform both 488 and Pista would be bad news for the owners of these models who bought under the belief they had a minimum 5 year life cycle, and, that will be very hard to swallow.
Reminds me of Lamborghini, when they did two 'facelifts' for the Gallardo before the Huracan came out to keep it refreshed.
Read the first part, "Lot of V6 variants have been/are being tested combined with single turbo, twin turbo and hybrids. But in 2019 we will only see the number 8 twice and the number 12 once." He clear says no V6, at least for now.
I predict whatever Ferrari does, it won't undermine the Pista. To do so would make absolutely no sense. If you really think they will do this, then skip your order and let others who really want the car get them. I am keeping my order
Regarding depreciation, the temporary exceptional resistance of Ferrari could be over - which is not necessarily a bad thing on the longer term (let's go back to used cars ) Regarding compared performance of the new model vs the Pista, that may not be an issue - a 488 GTB crushes a 458 Speciale, and that does not prevent the latter to be sought after; many people buy exclusivity rather than performance nowadays.
Just call the new 488 as the 488 Finali or something. Market it as the last V8 Ferrari for the mid-engine car range dating back to the 308. Something like that.
Actually, if you read the first part, fer9000 confirms V6 is being tested however refrains from confirming it wouldn't appear in little brother. Time will tell - anything is on the cards. I still feel it makes no sense for Ferrari to release an interim model which displaces the current 488 and Pista......hence the V6 little brother with some new bells and whistles.
True LVP488, but the main fascination with 458 was being the last of the NA V8. So performance became secondary to a larger extent (where 488 turbo was concerned). 488 and Pista will not share that same luxury if the new car is also a V8 turbo and better performing so in that situation 488/Pista will become of less interest unless the new car is missing something (like a V8 turbo engine).
Ferrari would have been well inspired to make the Pista NA, just like GT Porsches are vs standard 911s. They prob. could not as the production numbers for the Pistas will be too high in % of their overall production to meet emissions ratings with a NA engine.
They would probably need to go V12 for the required power, which would be a no-go for a number of reasons. Moreover, the new 911 GT3 will also be turbocharged.
