Hi, Sorry first post and I'm asking a question... Recently picked up my new 488 Spider and whilst I appreciate in the UK the HELE comes as standard, on all the demonstrators I drove, I never had to turn it off. I wonder if the default has been changed so when you start the engine it's set to ON as opposed to OFF. Anyone know? (I've asked the dealer - who doesn't know) thanks
That could be an infortunate adapting to new regulations... The owners manual was stating : Each time the instrument panel is switched on (KEY-ON), the Stop&Start system remains in the same state it was in when the vehicle was switched off (KEY-OFF). If the function was activated at KEY-OFF, it remains activated at the next KEY-ON and the LED on button A will flash for a few seconds. You may check whether it's different in the new documentation (in the chapter "About your vehicle", stop and start system).
OP it is just a matter of asking your service adviser to have one of the techs to set the default as off. If they can't do that then that's a huge worry.
Service Dept have confirmed that latest models in the U.K. can’t have the HELE switched off. Very annoying.
All it does is aggravate the hell out of us and give the manufacturers something like 1-1.5 mpg savings for reporting purposes in traffic.
and possibly provide long term engine wear/breakdown, start/stop is when you have slight metal on metal contact until full lubrication is present... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/stop-start-long-term-impact-your-car-s-engine of course there is work in that area being done, but is Ferrari using that yet?
Perhaps they integrate some kind of pre-lube system to help prevent wear damage from all the start/stop? ... If so, more weight, more electronics... More components to try to stuff under the hood.
Thinking on it some more, production starting 1/1/2020 Ferrari will be paying higher fines for CO2 emissions on its cars registered in EU/UK, so, it makes sense that sooner or later all Ferrari models produced for EU/UK must have permanent HELE As far back as 2010, when HELE was an orderable option on the 458, it was worth ordering in Holland because of the tax savings for the customer..but now it's on the manufacturer... ref: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/141184757/
1-1.5 mpg savings is quite significant! The rule is not written for just Ferrari's or exotic cars; the rule is written for all cars...that would save tons in harmful emissions! And, of course, exotic cars cannot be exempted, makes no sense. So, just switch off if you are an exotic owner...the total number of exotic cars and the miles driven is insignificant compared to the sheer number of ordinary cars driven everyday and the consequential emissions /atmospheric pollution. Let's all accept emission control and efficiency improvement are must's for anything that contributes to atmospheric pollution.
You contradicted yourself... How can you say excluding exotics makes no sense, and then in the very next sentence say the exotic miles driven is insignificant? Of course exotic sportscars can be exempted. HELE is idiotic.
How does it make sense to write a general law /rule but then make exceptions for a small segment of it? And how do you define those exceptions? How do you maintain those exceptions? Just turn it off. Simple.
As long as you can still turn it off!!! The REAL problem is that there's the new law coming which no longer allows to turn it off. It must be ON permanently and you CANNOT turn it off anymore. Just one of the many idiotic new laws. Marcel Massini
My 488 spider is HELE and I have turned it of with its button and it stays off for good Don't know if they have changed this
I'm not sure of the latest Ferraris with this system, but I was able to disable the annoying stop start system on my Range Rover by locating a little auxiliary battery that powered it and disconnecting the positive cable. I note that on my wife's new Mercedes it is so undetectable that I haven't tried.
I believe this is ALREADY in place for US models... my '15 Cali T didn't have it (thankfully) but I drove a '19 Portofino recently and it had it (and turned back on every time you started the car). Every dealer I've asked about this (not just Ferraris) all say that it's a US law now and the service department is not allowed to permanently turn it off.
N Never heard anything about it. EU suggests rear view camera, rear parking sensors and a lane assist as must haves for all new homologated cars from 2020 on. But no sight of a forced start/stop function...
Because it is implied, to meet strictly penalties for excessive CO2 emissions, one way for the manufacturer to reduce these penalties is to force the car to always have HELE (start/stop) engaged: https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/strategies/2020_en https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/transport/vehicles/cars_en from link above: A shorter phase-in period will apply to the target of 95 g/km. 95% of each manufacturer's new cars will have to comply with the limit value curve in 2020, increasing to 100% in 2021. and this: If the average CO2 emissions of a manufacturer's fleet exceed its limit value in any year from 2012, the manufacturer has to pay an excess emissions premium for each car registered. This premium amounts to €5 for the first g/km of exceedance €15 for the second g/km €25 for the third g/km €95 for each subsequent g/km. From 2019, the cost will be €95 from the first gram of exceedance onwards. these costs are per-car registered in EU, adds up FAST! for instance, if the car averages 120 g/km, that would be 25 * €95 or €2375 (about $2600 USD)
Let's not! I have no idea what the mpg is on my F12 and would gladly lose many more for increased power and performance. No one buys a $400k+ exotic for fuel efficiency. I'll best most Ferrari owners would pay extra for an HELE delete option. Let DDs go electric or whatever but let's all accept why we buy exotics and why we want them to remain reliable and rewarding to own.
