Lowering my Pista

What are you doing for suspension alignment? The specs Robert Mitchell used are pretty darn good for more sporty driving. Might be worth considering since this isn't a daily driver. I tracked my car a couple times and can tell you that it could definitely use some adjustments. I would also suggest Pagid brake pads (RS1 or RS2). Anyhow, beautiful car. I love your spec.

P.S. You need the Kline exhaust and down pipes that I planned to install on mine.

 

Pagid no longer offers RSC2 pads for our cars. The RSC1 is very similar to OE T4300 compound, but a wee bit better, but most of all cheaper.

For track you can use the RSL1 which is what imI did.

Now regarding the Mitchell setup. He is making one MASSIVE error in describing his set up - and I have this confirmed with Manthey.
He states that he set his toe as follows.

One degree in up front and two degrees out in the rear, per side. What they set was millimeters, not degrees. 1 whole degree of toe is absolutely unheard of, and two is just insane.
Just to make a comparison. Front toe is 5-7 minutes out which is between 0.08 and 0.11 degree. 1 degree is waaaaay into the red and is the equivalent of 60 minutes.
If you want to copy the Mitchell Pista set up, you need the following toe.

7 minutes in per side up front and 14 minutes out per side rear.

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A lot of threads like this as of late! There is one that's current for the 458 as well. Here's mine on a Novitec kit and rear spacers.
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Wow that looks amazing!

 

Im really liking the Novitecs on my 488. Supposedly the 488 and Pista have same shocks and springs just different roll bar? My 488 leaned a lot on corners. Novitecs and proper ride hight cured this mostly.

I posted my alignment specs and have pics of my car on various posts.

I did not follow Robert Mitchell's toe in on the front. Ferrari specs toe out so I continued with that spec. What works for Robert and on the Nurburgring might not work for me. So I stayed with in stock toe and slightkymore camber and will adjust if needed from there later this year.

My toe specs are with in the stock range...just slightly less toe out that my car came with. .09 degrees/.7mm out front and .15 degrees/1.4mm in on rear per side. My camber is just slightly more than Ferrari specs at -1.3 front and -1.6 rear. at one point it was -1.5 rear or so...alignment machine was flashing around those numbers as adjustments made. So far with 1200 miles on this set-up everything is good.

 

I can’t wait to see how your car comes out! I love NR stuff- I have it on my 458. Very well thought out and I think you will love it. Please let us know your driving thoughts as well.

I lowered my Pista ~10mm all around with factory springs and did an alignment very similar to Robert’s with my dealer tech and I am loving the change. Since both are changed its hard to say what contributed to what, but after the change the car was just more fun to drive and felt more eager to rotate. However, I find the Cup2 tires almost never get into their proper operating range (about 120F) on the road. I have my car on winters right now and am having so much more fun because of the tires being in their operating range and also I think the breakaway on the winters is much more progressive than the Cup2 tires. I will be replacing the Cup2 with MPS4S for the summer. Yes I am giving up track performance but I don’t track my cars very often, I’m 99% street driving.


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You didn’t need to post before pics - we know how high these 4x4s sit. I just don’t get that the Pista would sit as high as my 458.

Keep pics coming! I was gonna say onwards and upwards, but I guess it’s downwards. Lol.

You’re a courageous guy.....and that blue still looks awesome under fluorescent light

 

Can't wait to see the final results! Stunning car, but you knew that!

 

For what it's worth, the spring and shock part numbers are different between the 488 and Pista. That doesn't necessarily mean they are actually different parts, but I doubt that Ferrari woudl just relabel the 488 springs as separate Pista part numbers for three reasons:

1. Ferrari part numbers for other identical parts between the 488 and Pista have the same part number (down pipes for example) -- They don't seem to care to hide the fact that they're the same
   
2. They're not charging more for Pista parts so there may not be a good reason to change the part number -- They don't seem to try to make more money off Pista replacement parts that fit 488s
   
3. The weight of the Pista is different, and handling + ride quality is an area where I don't expect Ferrari would cut corners and just copy paste (like Novitec tends to do) -- This is generally an area of design that Ferrari cares about

 

The 488 and Pista have different shocks, stiffer springs and stiffer sway bars. As per Mario Rill's input. Novi has chosen to use the same spring for the 488, F8 and Pista as their main focus was street driving, not track.

I would stress that the Mitchell toe-in will not have the same effect on the 488 as it does on the Pista, and the 488 does not need it. Part of the Pista twitchyness comes from the super light power steering input as well as the stiffer sway bars. I took my 488 toe out all the way to 30 minutes per side, and all it does is make the steering really heavy. The Pista is totally different in this regard. Ferrari definitely tried to integrate some excitement on the steering set up, and thus it cam lln benefit from getting settled down by running toe in. The F8 is somewhere in between. Not entirely sure where I will go with that once it arrives. Will give it camber and tyres first, then see what is needed.

But for those who think copying the Pista toe-in setup is equally good for a 488, not so. It just gets really sluggish and dead in its steering feel. Between 1 and 1.5 mm toe out seems to work well.

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The springs, dampers and sway bars of a Pista are just different, but not more "special", hence the equal pricing. The damlers are just valved differently and run a different ECU program. They share brake parts, just with different valving, hence why they feel different. You are correct in the fact that Ferrari don't copy and paste, but they do obviously reuse what they can. The 812, TdF, Speciale, F8, Pista and 488 generally shares a lot odf these basic parts, but sometimes with a different tuning etc.

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Excessive body roll in these cars is a fact. Here’s a shot from a recent drive in my 458, which is not lowered.....not exactly confidence inspiring.

I don’t recall any body roll in my Porsche.

Perhaps we are simply not demanding enough from Ferrari.
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Just a 458 but I hear you on the stance....here’s mine lowered

 

Thanks, again just was a question...and something I read. You’d think they’d recalibrate the shocks.

 

lmfao! Had same issue w/ my Maserati MC Cabrio...

 

So let’s see. With the 458, I’ve fixed sticky buttons, not one but 2 new exhaust systems with high flow cats, a Mase Tune, radar/laser jammers, and now lowering.....

And of course maintenance, for which I’m a stickler.....

Haven’t been keeping track, but this *****’s starting to add up.

Can’t wait to see what all the F8 is going to need to make it drivable.

 

So where are the after pictures!!!!!????

 

Sucks. That is why I am buying all first and then will have everything installed at once, whenever it occurs.

 

Where are you guys finding the best prices on Novitec parts?