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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by adamellisdj, Feb 3, 2021.

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  1. adamellisdj

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    2018 488
    4K miles
    1 owner
    Full F service history
    Full carbon interior
    Rear camera

    £167 I got them down too.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011116010612?advertising-location=at_cars&maximum-mileage=5000&postcode=S137AA&body-type=Coupe&model=488&sort=price-asc&page=2&make=FERRARI&include-delivery-option=on&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

    or

    2017 4888
    2k miles
    1 owner
    Full F service history
    Partial carbon interior
    No camera but nicer seats stitching

    £155k

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011126036964?advertising-location=at_cars&maximum-mileage=5000&postcode=S137AA&body-type=Coupe&model=488&sort=price-asc&page=1&make=FERRARI&include-delivery-option=on&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New



    I do want the camera and ideally full carbon, but it can always be wrapped. And it still has front and rear sensors.

    It’s the difference or £300 per month for 4 years with interest. My main concern is, is that 300 a month worth it for the camera and the newer year?

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    How important is the camera to you guys? Is it good? Useful?

    Is 2018 vs 17 a big game changer when resale comes in 3/4 years?
     
  2. JSYOLi

    JSYOLi Rookie

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    Hi,

    I can offer some advice having just purchased a 2017 488 spider in TDF Blu and based in the U.K.

    I would say a rear camera is a must for resale as all the cars that tend to linger on autotrader tend to either be without camera or carbon wheel or alternatively overpriced.

    Noted both are coming from Ferrari dealers. Have they confirmed the 2 years of extended warranty? Reason I ask is that the 2017 will be due a warranty extension this year which will be circa £4K.


    Any questions, let me know.


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  3. adamellisdj

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    Hey mate

    both have 2 year warranty yes. The 2018 will give me 2.5 years as it has some already on.

    2018 also will require no servicing till 2025.


    2017 one has 6 months free tax. I’m sure I can get the 2018 dealer to match this and I’m guessing has servicing until 2023/24.


    In terms of resale would you buy a 2017 with 2k miles or a 2018 with 4K if it had the same spec.

    I plan on ENJOYING this car and driving it. But £300 a month isn’t a joke. That’s my insurance and fuel for the month.
     
  4. adamellisdj

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    PS did you try or consider a 458?
     
  5. JSYOLi

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    Think you have to look at the numbers. The 2018 car equates to an additional £14,400 over the specified finance period. That being said from your options requirements it has everything you require.

    For me in the U.K. a camera would be a must. Others may say with the additional funds you are saving you could buy a full carbon engine bay along with any other upgrades you may require on the 2017.

    It is also worth noting the 2017 is most likely a garage queen and may have battery issues along other issues from lack of use.

    Down to personal preference but personally I would focus on negotiating down the 2018 car as you cannot retrofit the often desired rear camera.


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  6. JSYOLi

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    Yes, I primarily looking for a TDF Blu spider so limited my search somewhat.

    I did consider strongly a 458 spider but came down to the 488 having the newer infotainment and feeling a lot more planted and direct when driving.


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  7. pninja005

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    I strongly recommend the camera. Believe me, it helps!

    488's are awesome, enjoy whichever you pick!
     
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    How are the seats stitched different, I can't see any difference?

    While many may want a rear camera, its unfortunately very poor resolution and on a very small screen. The parking sensor display is easily as useful.

    As for age/mileage differences, they're negligible. Either could have a bad battery thats been maintained poorly over the years.

    I do not envy your position, if you're having to choose blind.
     
  10. mkraft3003

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    It appears you keep going back and forth and posting a this or that question every day. If you wait long enough a new model will come out and you could add that into the mix. ;) Just find one you like and make the purchase. Life is too short and you never know what tomorrow brings.
     
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  11. adamellisdj

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    Sorry for the questions mate. I cannot test drive, so its not as easy as just going and seeing which I prefer,
     
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    Can you kindly explain this bad battery?

    How can Ferrari sell you a £160,000 car and it have a bad battery?

    What the heck do I need to know about Ferrari batteries? Does every owner need a good charger on hand or something?
     
  13. adamellisdj

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    Should I be buying a Lithium Battery?
     
  14. SoCal to az

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    I think you need to get over the notion that just because its a Ferrari, its perfect. Its not. A lot of the things they do suck. bad batteries, bad electrical, bad paint. the cars are brilliant but not perfect by any means.
     
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  15. adamellisdj

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    No doubt, it is a car. But Ferrari would not sell you a car which has a battery issue from their Showroom,. no?

    How does one ensure the battery is good when buying a car from Ferrari (I will only buy from a main dealer).

    I am new to the world of Supercars. I have had an M4 and own a lovely AMG C63s 2020 now, but Ferrari is another level.
     
  16. SoCal to az

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    Happens all the time. Dead battery, malfunctioning electronics. Its still a car and you are buying from a car dealer.
     
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  17. JSYOLi

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    Just picked up on your comment from only buying from a main dealer in the U.K.

    May I ask why? Many of the dealer cars are on SOR (consignment) and you will achieve a much greater saving from the specialist independent dealers.


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  18. JSYOLi

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    If you are not able to leave on the battery tender when not in use, then you will have issues with any Ferrari you purchase.

    That being said, if you upgrade the battery to a lithium battery e.g Antigravity battery circa £900 this will relieve you of constant connection to a battery tender when not in use.


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  19. axlesofevil

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    I wish I had a camera in my 458 but I've gotten used to not having it. The sensors work well enough and you just have to go slowly if you're backing into a space.

    You spend more time in your car looking at the interior than looking at the exterior. I waited until I found a full carbon interior 458 and am glad I did. Makes a difference.

    You say the 2017 has better seat stitching? I don't see that.

    I'd say go for the 2018. But it's not my car. What do you want?

    You may also want to familiarize yourself with the concept of Maximizers vs. Satisficers. Determine what is important to you and make a decision against that. But know that any used Ferrari is not going to be absolutely perfect. You'll drive yourself crazy wondering if there was something better out there when you should just be enjoying your freakin' Ferrari.
     
  20. adamellisdj

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    Thanks mate.

    Would you swap your 458 for a newer 488? Just curious.
     
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    This is why
     

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    Did you go with a main dealer?

    I guess Im just worried I’d have issues going with none Ferrari dealer. Maybe the dealers have set me thinking it’s something you would never do when buying a Ferrari.

    I actually messaged the dealer and the review below is for a different branch. I guess any issues and it’s covered by Ferrari.


    This seems too good to be true.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101157993674?advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=S137AA&model=488&page=2&make=FERRARI&include-delivery-option=on&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New


    2018
    low miles
    All the carbon
    Camera
    Lifter
    Diamond cut alloys

    absolutely stunning


    And they said they would take £165k. That’s 7 cheaper than the 2018 one above with so so many less miles as well as D cut alloys and the lifter.

    Full Ferrari seevice obviously

    Does it fall into garage queen territory?
     
  23. mkraft3003

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    Oh boy. It’s your money and buy what you like. Like a said before you could be on the fence forever. If you can’t go look at it because of UK lockdown then why are you in a rush to buy it?? Why don’t you wait a few months when you can go look and see what is available at that time. These particular cars may not be available but others would. It is a lot of money to be asking for strangers advice on cars you haven’t seen or driven. Just my .02
     
  24. JSYOLi

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    No, I didn’t go through a Ferrari dealer with so many cars on SOR felt what actual value are they bringing other than a 2 year warranty?

    Any car from a non-Ferrari dealer I would have sent to a Ferrari dealer for a service inspection prior to agreeing to purchase. Small cost for total piece of mind.

    Ultimately this will save you a lot of cash and get you the car you want, not just what the Ferrari approved used have.


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  25. adamellisdj

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    May I ask the cost of this?
     

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