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Electric Parking Brake FAILURE!

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by PhilNotHill, Nov 3, 2013.

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  1. 430scuderia1

    430scuderia1 Rookie

    Sep 14, 2008
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    Yes, may resort to trying this!
     
  2. reisskhan

    reisskhan Karting

    Aug 11, 2017
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    Nice


     
  3. reisskhan

    reisskhan Karting

    Aug 11, 2017
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    Let us know how you get on


     
  4. reisskhan

    reisskhan Karting

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  5. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

    Oct 1, 2004
    3,251
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    DO NOT MANIPULATE E-BRAKE !!!

    YOU WILL REQUIRE NEW UNIT (e-brake and brake caliper are combined and if you do what the manual indicates you DESTROY the unit and you must replace, about $6000 EACH)

    INSTEAD

    Find a tow truck that has "skates" (Or ask your Ferrari Dealer if they have reference or perhaps have such skates)

    And then jack up rear of car, fit the skates, push out of garage, load onto tow truck (flatbed)

    The fix is a NEW e-brake computer module, it is not very expensive (about $1200 installed) and if you have a good relationship with your Ferrari dealer they may get it warrantied.

    That computer module is 'always on' and it has components that FAIL over time, the latest "Version" of this module is improved.

    DO NOT follow instructions in owner's manual, it will cost you dearly !

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    if no one has one, you might buy it yourself (get a pair of them)

    https://www.harborfreight.com/1250-lb-capacity-vehicle-positioning-wheel-dolly-61917.html
     
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  6. reisskhan

    reisskhan Karting

    Aug 11, 2017
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    JTSE30

    Are you talking from experience or is this an issue on the Speciale’s only or something?

    If that is the case what can I say about the quailty

    If the emergency release destroys the motors why would Ferrari or any manufacturer give this suggestion surley they can get sued???

    Also why would the module just go bad i haven’t encountered any of these issue

    Normally plays out if the battery goes low but he’s had it on tender and the car starts as he said so hopefully hopefully it just needs a system scan on a machine and a matter of reset to sort it

    Hence why I’ve told him stay positive and don’t think the worse
     
  7. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    #32 JTSE30, Feb 10, 2021
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    Direct experience, several friends had this direct issue.

    As for why Ferrari would put that instruction into the owner manual without noting it will result in the requirement to replace the units at the owners expense? Who knows. But I do find it very curious the manual has a solution (with a special tool!) for this situation, it is almost like they expect it could happen.

    These models include same EPB control module: LaFerrari, 458Speciale, 488GTB, 488Spider (Pista uses system from the 812SF)

    EPB/AVH failure can be caused by bad battery, true (just like any 'electrical gremlin'), so, it is diligent to first replace the battery, if issues persists it is a bad brake module. The brake unit (calipers) is not bad, it is "locked" because the Brembo "Parking Brake ECU" unit has bugs in it, this is a problem with Brembo's units and it is NOT unique to Ferrari at all:

    https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/02/06/gm-warns-2019-pickup-owners-driving-risks-brake-issues/4654878002/

    https://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topic/221313-parking-emergency-brake-coming-on-by-itself/

    https://www.carcomplaints.com/Chevrolet/Silverado_1500/2019/brakes/service_brakes.shtml

    (yes, GM uses Brembo)
    https://www.chevrolet.com/performance-parts/vehicle-upgrades/silverado/brakes
    https://www.brembo.com/en/company/news/brembo-brakes-gm-suv

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/145727899/

    https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xj-xj6-xj8-xjr-x350-x358-28/xjr-brembo-parking-brake-help-piston-retraction-145571/

    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2017/RCLRPT-17V260-5503.PDF

    https://www.ssforums.com/threads/e-brake-stuck.103658/


    Over time, Brembo has released updates for this ECU and it is quite likely that is the problem and no reason to destroy your calipers to get the car out of the garage.
     
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  8. Art138

    Art138 Formula 3
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    Folks I believe the situation is being overly micromanaged; If the Speciale Brembos are like the Pista’s,then there is no reason why you can’t loosen the two bolts of the eBrake fixture. I had a charger issue and my eBrake was locked in place; Ferrari service recommended this procedure so the car could be moved. The procedure loosens the compression of the pads against the rotors; no need to mess with the cable adjustment/calibration. Bolts can be re-torqued by the dealer.

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  9. 430scuderia1

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    Thanks for this, I will try and source some skates tomorrow.

    Out of interest, is the module not something I could buy, fit in the garage and then take the car for its service?
     
  10. reisskhan

    reisskhan Karting

    Aug 11, 2017
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    Try calling the dealers and see what they recommend and tell you beleive the callipers will get damaged if they releasing manually?

    Ideally if can get it hooked onto a machine might just work or release for now at least and if it is a module can worry about rhag afterwards

    I mean anything can be fixed one way or another lol

    All the best


     
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  11. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    Call your dealer, see if they will sell it direct to you, you will need to put the car on a lift (or jack stands) to replace it (from what I recall).

    Manually releasing the parking brake will destroy it and require replacement, there is no way to "release" it without requiring replacement.
     
  12. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    Pista system is completely different than 458Speciale (it is same system as 812SF)
     
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  13. 430scuderia1

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    Will update later this week after the car is recovered on Wednesday. A friend has bought some skates so we can get it on the trailer.
     
  14. Shack

    Shack F1 Rookie
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    DO AS JTSE30 said.

    I had this issue and it cost HUGE money to replace everything!!!!

    Luckily the car was under warranty but the dealer had a massive fight with Ferrari to recover the costs
     
  15. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

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    How is the brake system in the Speciale different from the 458?
     
  16. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    Speciale system is same as LaFerrari, I don't have full details but could look them up.
    (Italia system is not from LaF)
     
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  17. 430scuderia1

    430scuderia1 Rookie

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    Managed to get the car back to JCT in a covered trailer, we put the car on 2 'rear' skates.

    Turns out the handbrake ECU was faulty and being replaced at a cost of £1048 GBP.

    Not bad in the end and could have been worse. Thanks for all your help!
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  18. sampelligrino

    sampelligrino Formula 3

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    Thanks to @JTSE30 's experience and input, getting my EPB module replaced preventatively at my local dealer as well since I am keeping my Speciale for a long time God willing. Running me $1.5k all in, they confirmed there is an updated version FWIW.
     
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