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488 Does Pista really have a special pipe for better engine sound inside?

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  1. bluesunday

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    Hey,

    First of all, apologies if the term "pipe" isn't the best one to capture what I am about to ask. Watching a couple of videos up online regarding 488 Pista and SF90, I've stumbled upon an information that Ferrari did a special solution to pipe the pure engine sound to the inside of the cabin for better acoustic and driving experience.

    Looking to confirm that information and learn more about it. Also, I wonder if that's available on F8 as well and if not, how complicated it would be to achieve a similar solution.
     
  2. Gh21631

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    I don't think sound is piped into the Pista.
     
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    As far as I know it was only done on the F8, since the crap EU required GPFs were added to the car.
     
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    Both the 488 and Pista have the sound generators. For the reasons of the F8 having the GPF it was advertised as having the sound generators because how the sound of the F8 was suppressed.

    The 488 and the Pista not one word in all the releases
     
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  5. FerrariCognoscenti

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    How do the sound generators work?


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  6. MANDALAY

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    Its just a pipe with a molded plastic part attached to it that comes of the inlet pipe. Look at a Toyota 86 and the part is easily seen. Circled

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    Just looks like Ferrari didn't want to mention the addition to the 488 and the Pista. But as said they all have it

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  7. IloveGT

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    never knew the 86 engine bay looks pretty decent for Toyota.
     
  8. Caeruleus11

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    From driving both- it strikes me the F8 gets more engine noise/ the Pista more exhaust noise. Just one man’s impression from the cabin.


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  9. rob lay

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    at least Ferrari isn't speakering engine sound, but I am so disappointed Ferrari did this. I guess that's the way Ferrari is going, if your target market is for fake people, then why not pipe the sound.
     
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    The sad part is , even with the sound generators it still sounds anemic.
     
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  11. Caeruleus11

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    Is it really any different than tailoring the exhaust sound with various different pipe layouts. I think too much is made of this, these companies have been at it for years.


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    Over the past year of fun times of learning about what works and doesn't work as far as mods on the Pista, I found this interesting thing along the way. As I was trying to resolve an issue with the first exhaust controller I tried on the Pista, I had to have the engine covers in the engine bay off to look for an electrical issue. While doing that I spotted this strange looking hose that looked like it was piping into the cabin.

    After digging deeper, I found that it actually connects to a little mystery box that seems to have no part number, then goes to a long set of hoses that terminates as an opening facing an interesting slot cut out of the rear muffler tailpipe. See below images.


    The tubing could potentially be a resonator to potentially either constructively amplify certain frequencies in the cabin or destructively cancel noise. Or it could be something totally different! I couldn't find a part number for that little mystery box though.

    One more interesting data point is that the 488 GTB does not have this tube nor the cutout in the tailpipe.

     
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  13. rob lay

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    the engine noise is natural if it comes out the exhaust or through the structure of the car, if there is an engineered effort to pipe noise to the occupants, that's faking it.
     
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  14. There's definitely more induction noise in the Pista.
     
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    Look at my post above yours. Its in the parts. Sound generator. I have it circled
     
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    Serves me right for taking too long to click post! Hahaha

    Still begs the question, what is this pipe going from the muffler to the cabin?
     
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    What do you think of when they spend thousands of man hours tuning the exhaust? What about choosing firewall materials that transmit the sound better/ differently? What if they engineer certain pipes to be closer to the passenger compartment so you get the sound?

    Not that I expect it will change your opinion but I believe the 458 and 488 also have something similar. When I spoke with my mechanic about why my 458 when it was stock sounded artificial he said theres a pipe they use to pump in sounds and he could try to stuff it- to me the sound was resonating the frame of the car and it was like surround sound exhaust sound. Rather than do this, we just made the exhaust louder Anyway, what matters to me is how the car drives. And if they have to do this kind of thing to help with engagement, especially given the latest regulations, then so be it.

    I draw the line when its piped in via speakers.

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  18. rob lay

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    that's part of engineering to balance performance, vibration, sound, etc. it is natural development you are required to have an exhaust, so must consider the comprehensive impacts.

    That's where I think it crosses the line, the exhaust has a purpose and you can tune it directly. The firewall has a purpose and it isn't to enhance a separate components sound.

    Certainly. I feel piping sound is equivalent to a non-functional intake or a single functional muffler with extra non-functional tips.

    my view isn't going to change anything, there are still Ferrari owners that just take to the valet, wear fake watches, have girlfriends with plastic surgery, and like replica Ferraris. :)
     
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  19. Solid State

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    Can you name a modern Ferrari without sound tubes is the better question. They've been there a while.
     
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