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Has anyone cracked the code? The Speedline Silver Color Code that is.

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by ShineKen, Aug 24, 2021.

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  1. ShineKen

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    You are so right. Isn't it FER 101/C?
     
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    Nope. That’s the same as PPG 36250. Also, the “C” stands for coarse. The metallic in the Speedline silver is very fine.
     
  4. Dave Bertrand

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    36520, not 36250.

    In that 2nd thread you linked, @kenneyd responded with the following:

    "The actual number is Speedline silver PPG 226.650 good luck finding it"

    I don't know what Ken meant by "good luck finding it", but have you seen that color or know anything about it?

    Even if we can find out the correct code, there's no guarantee that any paint shop will be able to precisely match an original wheel finish. Neither the mixing machine nor the machine's operator are perfect. Not only that, a 35 year old wheel's paint may have darkened or lightened slightly from the day it rolled out of the factory. So even if you manage to get a perfect match to an existing wheel, it still may not be correct. If you asked 3 different paint shops to mix up a pint of PPG xxxxx, I'll bet none of the three would match each other precisely.

    Since the original color was undoubtedly a Glasurit code, I think that's the tree we need to be barking up, not PPG. 35 years ago there may not have been a PPG equivalent to the Glasurit color, and there may not be one today either.
     
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    Personally, I’m not worried about matching wheels. I’m interested in painting a set of OE wheels the correct color.

    I do know it was a single stage paint.
     
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    Yep, I need to paint a set of wheels too, so I'm also looking for the correct color. There's also FER 101, without the C, so maybe that's the one. Can one even buy single stage paint anymore? I thought the EPA put an end to that years ago.
     
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    It's laquer paint that is nearly impossible to buy.

    You can buy all the single stage ya want.
     
  8. Stammler

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    Hi all.
    Isn’t it the same code as the 360 CH rims?
    If it is then I have the code.
    I got it from a guy from BBS.
     
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    BBS has their own silver, but feel free to post it here.
     
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    Maybe without the coarse metallic it might come close. I just feel the original silver is brighter, which is key here.
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    Someone could make a killing selling this paint and matching touch-up paint.
     
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    I went to the paint shop and they guy tried really hard with his camera to find flat enough spot to scan the OEM wheels.
    This was the recipe it spit out. I have not tried it yet.




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    For what year and model of car? And which wheels - Speedline, Campagnolo, etc.?
     
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    I could be wrong, but I feel Speedline used the same color code for silver across the board this whole time. It's been their secret recipe. Their silver has a nice expensive looking sheen to it.
     
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    I suspect Speedline painted the OEM wheels to Ferrari's exact specification. It just doesn't make sense to me that Ferrari would have contracted for them to supply the wheels in whatever silver color Speedline chose. But all we can do is speculate, unless someone here has a contact inside Ferrari who can investigate the old internal documentation and settle the matter once and for all.

    We also need definitive info on the exact magnesium content in the alloy. Someone ought to take a trashed wheel and submit it for metallurgical analysis. It may be different between Campagnolo, Cromodora and Speedline.
     
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    …. But Ferrari doesn’t have a color code for the wheels. Also, wheels made by BBS for Ferrari are a different silver than Speedline’s.
     
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    My opinion is it's a speedline color. If it was Ferrari, Ferrari would disclose is like they have every other color they have.


    I believe the exact alloy type is actually cast in the wheels.
     
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    Hey guys, not sure if this would be of any help but, I have a quart of wheel paint for Pantera wheels that I bought in 1995 for the wheels on that car( I know, Wow that’s old). There isn’t a mix formula on the can, damn. Would it be any help to go to a paint shop and have them “read” the paint. I don’t remember the brand of the Pantera wheel but I think they are campagnola?
     
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    [QUOTE="Dave
    We also need definitive info on the exact magnesium content in the alloy. .[/QUOTE]

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    the 355 wheels have a further designation of T4 4N691 and the challenge wheels are T4 4N94
     
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    But what do those codes mean? 4% Mg? 10%?

    By the way, I thought this thread was about 308/328 wheels, so my comments are about those, not 355 or other model wheels. I only need to know the paint code and Mg content of Speedline 328 wheels. Specifically, the 89 convex ones.
     
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    You may contact Stuart Singer at Stuart's Paint & Body in Dallas. ( 214)221-6999 office

    His team has refinished F40, Engine, F50, and many many more special wheels for us, he may share his recipe or offer another solution for you!

    Drop my name, it may help..

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    Don’t think Ferrari has painted any rims the last 50 years, and considering they are BBS for Ferrari……
    I’ll post the code tomorrow if I remember and you can paint your rims and deside for yourself. paint isn’t that expensive.
    It’s actually the same code as VAG uses, but before I get whining comments about it, the info is from a guy that works at BBS and my rims came out just briliant.
     
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