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  1. jgonzalesm6

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    #51 jgonzalesm6, Aug 25, 2021
    Who's suspension??? Alonso's?? or Grosjean's??
     
  2. 375+

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    #52 375+, Aug 25, 2021
    They use a different dartboard now.
     
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  3. itschris

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    #53 itschris, Aug 25, 2021
    Okay.. maybe I'm just remembering this wrong. Didn't Grojean receive a race suspension/ban due to that crash? I just remember the commentary was that the stewards took into consideration that he took out the top contenders as part of the decision making process... although now... Masi clearly stated that despite Lewis being in the wrong and despite Bottas being in the wrong... the penalties are NOT derived by the results of the mistake even though those mistakes had dramatic and beneficial impacts to both championships. I'm just wondering if there was an official change in policy between then and now.
     
  4. Edward 96GTS

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    #54 Edward 96GTS, Aug 25, 2021
    using computer models the teams know exactly when they will lap someone and the % chance of winning. why cant a computer levy the penalty after it determines the corner entrance speed and position on track if an accident results. ie. hamilton receives a proper penalty(for example only:p)
     
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    #55 375+, Aug 25, 2021
    As I recall Grosjean had a few incidents that season, Spa was the last straw.
     
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  6. jgonzalesm6

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    #56 jgonzalesm6, Aug 25, 2021
    Correct on the race ban re: Grosjean at Spa in 2012.

    Regarding the penalties, there are inconsistencies when you have different race stewards at every race.
     
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    #59 pilotoCS, Aug 25, 2021
    August 25, 1991, Michael Schumacher started his first Formula One race, the Belgian Grand Prix… He qualified an amazing 7th on the grid. Unfortunately, a clutch problem took him out on the first lap. But, the legend had begun . . . .

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    #60 WPOZZZ, Aug 26, 2021
    Must be the budget cap.
     
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    #61 nerofer, Aug 26, 2021
    Don't know if the question has already been raised elsewhere in another thread or not, but...
    Can somebody here enlighten the old fart that I am?
    After the Hungarian Grand Prix, Lewis Hamilton was so knackered that he said (I quote) "he feared he might have long Covid"...
    Well, one month later: does he, or does he not?

    Rgds
     
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    #62 Nembo1777, Aug 26, 2021
    He posted nothing in his Instagram during the summer break, he has been off the grid and there has been no mention of his health, we will find out today if he says anything.
     
  13. jgonzalesm6

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    #63 jgonzalesm6, Aug 26, 2021
    Nothing from multiple world champion on having long Covid after the race.
     
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    Drama queen.
     
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    #65 ingegnere, Aug 26, 2021
    He’s waiting to see how the practice sessions go before “creating” his narrative around this; if the Merc goes well, he and Dodo will play up the “yeah, the car’s good but, you know, the long Covid thing is a concern.”

    If he’s slower than Max, he’ll just blame the Covid.

    :p

    ^^ +1 on the drama queen assessment.
     
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    #66 Ney, Aug 26, 2021
    Well he did arrive at Spa…..I’m trying to determine if it is warm or cold there. Perhaps he still has chills……. I know that the get up gives me chills and nausea all the way across the Atlantic…..


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    #67 jgonzalesm6, Aug 26, 2021
    That "grunge-urban" outfit sure is different.
     
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    #68 Nembo1777, Aug 26, 2021
    Shabby homeless look:eek:
     
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    #69 TonyL, Aug 26, 2021
    +1 You can have all the money you wish for but you cannot buy style and finesse, clearly he doesnt have the latter:)
     
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    #71 Bas, Aug 26, 2021
    he'll play that card at any time from now till end of the season. If he loses the title, it was because of ''long covid''. If he wins, it was despite ''long covid'' (oh and of course a terrible car).
     
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    #72 Bas, Aug 26, 2021
    looks like he's ready to glue himself to the road to fight weather happening.
     
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    #73 itschris, Aug 26, 2021
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    I'm talking more about a fundamental shift in outcome vs. action. When asked about the ridiculous and meaningless penalties given in the Mercedes incidents... especially considering how they literally reversed the championships into a meaningful lead for Mercedes, Masi stated that the penalties DO NOT take into account the outcome of the action. So in other words... it doesn't matter what the result of your mistake was, i.e., whether it causes someone to may just lose a place or if you take out all of your main rivals and change the course of the championship... the penalty will be the same.

    In 2012 with Grosjean, this is part of what the stewards stated as the reason behind that suspension from what I could find on a quick search and seems to align with what i remember at the time:

    "...The Stewards regard this as an extremely serious breach of the regulations which had the potential to cause injury to others. It eliminated leading championship contenders from the race..."

    That's a completely different mentality from what Masi is saying today. I'm not asking about why in one case there's a 5 second vs. 10 second grid penalty. My question is: In 2012, was the methodology officially different than it is today? Because looking at this current situation with either Bottas or Hamilton, there was clearly "potential to cause injury to others" (i.e., hitting the wall at 51gs and secondly "eliminating leading championship contenders from the race" (i.e., Max twice) which was true in both cases and.. .in both cases the stewards did find the Merc drivers at fault.

    ETA: Just to be clear... I'm not a Lewis or Merc hater at all... I think my history of posting here supports that, but I find both incidents absolutely ridiculous. I'm not saying they were on purpose or part of any large conspiracy or anything like that, but I just feel in both cases, the penalties were ridiculous and completely disproportionate to other infractions like a DQ for Vettel. My attitude towards either case would've been the same if the teams and drivers involved would have been reversed or different altogether. So from the standpoint of being a fans for many years... I'm looking to figure out if rules regarding penalties were officially different back then vs. today... because still... the results make no sense to me.
     
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    #74 Sharknose, Aug 26, 2021
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    A contrast in styles and generations...
     
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    #75 jgonzalesm6, Aug 26, 2021
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