Hamilton deserves more respect

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have never in my life seen a sport with more excuses attached to it than motor racing. Spend any time in a paddock after a race and EVERY team will give you a reason as to why they did not do better. The sport is full of 'what ifs' and conspiracy theories but at the end of the day the scorecard has no place for excuses.

YES circumstances do affect things here and there but 100 wins and over 100 poles is a MASSIVE number that I am certain many in the sport never thought was achievable by anyone ever. Not being able to recognize that is the true litmus test that reveals personal bias. Hamilton may not be my favorite F1 driver but his achievements are undeniable.

 

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Yeah, Schumacher was exactly the same driver after his accident like Massa was after his.

If you want to work a job, you’re not going to tell your employer your weaknesses on a job interview. Do you seriously believe Schumacher, or any other driver who wants to drive would be honest about his fitness level, if it meant him potentially not getting a seat?

 

I suspect he was mainly hired by Mercedes because Brawn needed him to build the team from scratch.
Michael didn’t really believe he would be able to fight for the Championship again I’m certain.

 

Schumi would have never been allowed to race if he was physically unable to, like Massa. Lauda survived a fire, and came back and won once he was cleared. Schumi got beat, Hamilton got beat before, its ok. It happens to the best of them. You don't have to make excuses.

 

Funny thread, once Lewis leaves and max dominates if Russel and Lando let him he will be the next vilain.

I remember when Schumacher dominated a lot of people hated him and Ferrari. I miss those days, I could get cocky.

 

History always repeats. Williams was hated when it dominated, Then McLaren, Then Red Bull, Then Mercedes.

Too much winning is bad for business and F1 at the end of the day is an entertainment business.

 

The discussion isn’t and was never if he was or wasn’t physically able to. Stop with the straw men and knock it off with your patronizing tone. It’s getting old.

 

Lets get real...Michael joined the defending World Championship team (one purchased by a manufacturer powerhouse) to win Grands Prix and fight for championships pretty much right away. Everything looked great on paper, and had a nice full-circle quality to it all.

 

Definietly was some great drives there.

 

On paper !

Brawn had an advantage for about half a season, back when the FIA allowed other teams to develop and catch up.

And then Vettel & Red Bull drove off into the distance...

 

+1

Helping his friends, plus a little fun along the way.

 

You are wrong sir,
The Brawn Gp 01 was de facto a Honda car.
In 2008 Honda spent a lot of money on this project because of the new regulations in 2009 ( Three wind tunnels were even used simultaneously on this project!).
Unfortunately they should have suddenly abandoned the sport because of the economic crisis.
In 2010 the new Mercedes team was very weak on engineering side this is why they began their huge recruitment campaign straight away.
Schumacher believed he could won some races in 2012 at best.

 

Lol! Yall got me cracking up! You forgot to add plus getting a little beat down too lol! You all brighten my day. I'm in the mood to go help some friends LoL!

 

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This is a good documentary about Hamilton vs Rosberg, to refresh the memory.




Both were great drivers but Hamilton's car had alot of mechanic problems during the season. Rosberg was luckier in that regard.

 

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Hamilton's DNF in Malaysia was the nail-in-the-coffin for the WDC title in 2016.

5 points separated Nico vs Hamilton.

 

..and Hamilton had better reliability in their previous seasons.

Since Bottas joined I think Ham has suffered 2 mechanical DNF's. That must be a record !

 

Do you have any numbers to prove it? TBH I don't recall all the mechanical DNFs since Bottas joined Mercedes.

 

That is 100% correct and is all the respect Lewis Hamilton deserves.

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I think Lewis is a fantastic talent and insufferable ****

 

To be fair wouldn't you agree that this is Nico vs. Hamilton & Toto?

 

I am not wrong - and I believe you do not know Michael Schumacher very well. I am not in need of a history lesson about Honda/Brawn/Merc transition...we're not arguing over why Mercedes ultimately failed deliver race wins 2010-2011. This is about Michael's mindset returning to the cockpit - if you think it was to driver around for 2 seasons, and maybe hopefully win some races in year 3, you're sorely mistaken. Basically from the off, Michael was bullish about the team and his chances...and the majority of people (including myself) thought he had very good reason to.

 

I think you are in need of a history lesson.

It was NO secret that the Brawn car was not developed at all for 2009. It was struggling for money. It didn't have money to develop their 2009 car to fight the title, let alone develop a 2010 car. For 2010 there where significant rule changes, including a ban on refueling needing a much larger fuel tank. Putting a larger fuel tank in is not so easy, it's a bit more work than ''saw the current car in half, add a bit in the middle, glue the lot back together''.

Schumacher has been very aware what is needed to fight for titles, the amount of continuous development needed to be in the fight let alone remain in it, is significant. He knew the effects of having zero money spend on the car after they spend their lot on the lube to squeeze the Mercedes engine in before testing 2009. This is a team that was flying home economy class on easyjet (including the team principals) after races.

Speaking of mindset...just listen to anyone that worked with Michael during his return (even guys that previously hated him) and how dedicated he was to the team in an effort to move to the sharp end of the grid.