Ferrari F430 *Headers* Q4 2021 Market Update - and more

Becareful of s line drone on the low end or did you do the s line with valves?
Cap headers and cap 200 cel cats is what I went with finished with Kline

 

I went with full FabSpeed on the F430 and now having trouble with them to warranty their headers blankets. Probably won’t go with them again after this experience.


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What this looks like.

You went with the second cheapest option. Tubi hands down makes the best product..followed by Capristo. You did not like the price of those, so you went with the junk. I have experiance with all of them. I will only install 2 of them the rest..take it to speedy muffler for the install. You have decided to drive a 150k+ car..yet you skimp on parts.

 

You don't like Kline?

 

Mase told you HP would increase to nearly 600hp with all this? I'd like to see that on a Dyno because I don't think that's possible.

 

I don't believe it's possible: there are fuel system limitations.

 

Kline is a fantastic product. Installed many on Porsche and Lambo. But still waiting for my first Ferrari system install. I'm itching to do so. So I cannot comment on fit. But I would imagine based on past experiance installing on other cars it would be spot on.

 

I have a kline muffler off cap headers and cap hiflow 200 cats with a valve controller. The difference between valves open and closed is sometimes hard to notice- sounds pretty good especially at high revs

 

"Im sticking with S-Line. They’re by far the best sounding via YouTube and based on my friend’s F430. I placed an order for x2 exhausts and x2 titanium heat shields. Due to the quantity, he gave me 15% discount. The second set is for another friend with an F430. It came out to be $340 shipped for the titanium heat shields and $3350 for the exhaust shipped. The exhaust was 1 week out from order, second set 2-4 weeks out. I called the number on the website and I got the owner or tech, idk, and he was fantastic to work with too."

Titanium heat shields for the muffler? Got a link?

You'll need heat shields for the headers.

 

I have two 430s and I am wondering about this time bomb issue. Do you mean cracking headers/manifold? There is much discussion about this on the 430 board. I just wonder how much of a time bomb this is? I have owned my cars a total of 11 years and both have OEM Mk2 headers and both are fine. While that's not a scientific sample, the garages who look after them see a lot of 430s and have never seen any time bombs..a couple of cases of leaking headers replaced by new ones, that's all.

I totally get replacing an exhaust to get more power or noise. But I don't get the time bomb thing. Is there anyone here whose Ferrari turned into an actual time bomb because of this, rather than just needed new headers?

 

It's rare but it can happen if you left a cracked or warped header go for some time. Air can be sucked in. Add oxygen to a furnace, it gets hotter which can damage the precat. Bits of which can be sucked back into the engine.

 

yes. i ignored mine for a little while and then i realized the risk i was running....so stopped driving it, researched the issue, sourced the headers, ceramic coated them, and they are now being installed.

yes maven, it will happen to you too. it is not IF, it is WHEN.

 

I have a 2008 430 Scuderia with 20K miles. Does the header problem effect Scuds?

 

yes i had replaced my scud headers at 21K miles with larini. OEMs had a leak

 

I had a Fabspeed on my Porsche that was under a year old but I bought it with the exhaust on it....a failed weld and lost a tailpipe that they would not honor under warranty because they only deal with the original owner....would never buy anything from them again....

 

I get why people are cautious, our engines are precious. And totally understand why you are doing this and what Glen says.

But still..lots of people taking precautions because others say it may happen, is not the same as lots of people saying their cars time bombed - I mean the issue of precats being sucked into the engine, rather than leaking headers/manifolds which by themselves are just that.

interested to know anyone who has experienced first hand (not hearsay) this time bomb issue?

meanwhile there are I guess many thousands of 430 owners, maybe almost all of them, maybe even all of them, who haven’t had their engine ingest their pre-cats.

or am I being wilfully ignorant? I genuinely would like to know.

 

Not in the same potential way. Scud does not have pre cats in the headers. They have air injection into the manifold to get them hot fast to clean up cold start emissions. Most problems with scud headers seem to be warping of the flange face from the extra heat. They can be re-surfaced flat.

 

I think I have only heard it happening once or twice. There was a thread on here where someone was in for a rebuild. You would have to be pretty ignorant to let a failing header go that far.

 

the first time i changed the belts on my 512tr, it had 35k km on the clock and was 12 years old.
the first time i changed the bladders on my f40 was this year, and the car was 30 years old with 22k km and original bladders.....

what i am trying to tell you is that i am certainly not the guy who does some of the recommended services just because they are recommended or 'it is time'.
i think a lot of those things are ********.

at the same time, when i hear the ticking getting louder on the 430 headers on start up - which means the cracks are getting bigger and will soon spit something out, i think twice and weigh up the risk vs reward.

the issue with those headers is a design flaw. the exhaust system from the engine to the tips is rigid, and when the engine moves around under acceleration, the weakest link is what will give, and the weakest link are the brittle cast headers. so when you replace dont do oem. choose something else, and then also change the brackets to some kind with some give. i just changed mine with stainless/ceramic coated, and also the motor mounts, in hopes that will take care of it. the optimum imo is the capristo bracket, but those bastards just started charging $1k for them - they can **** off at that price.

 

yes same headers

 

No not same headers. Scuds don't have precats. And headers are not cast they are welded tubes. But absolutely yes the problem is the rigid mounted system. Best solution is to simply bin the rigid lower brackets. They were never required.

 

Thanks for the information. What do you mean "bin the rigid lower brackets"? Does this solve the problem, thus avoiding header replacement?

 

Some of us are running without the rear lower brackets that attach to the gearbox. They hold the system rigid and as a result they and the headers crack because the system can't expand and contract. You can simply remove them, they are not required.