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The amount of time and media exposure they waste complaining is not impressive. What is - is how little of this other teams do. RedBull exceptional in time waste.

 

From what I recall this was indeterminate on SKY in practice openly. If its a repost I apologize. This was published during qualy.

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/horner-apologises-for-f1-marshals-comment-in-qatar/6806479/

Horner apologises for F1 marshals comment in Qatar
By: Jonathan Noble
Nov 21, 2021, 11:57 AM
Red Bull team principal Christian Horner has apologised for comments he made criticising the FIA and a marshal at Formula 1's Qatar Grand Prix.
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Horner was summoned to the stewards after the race at Losail on Sunday to face allegations that he had breached the International Sporting Code and damaged the reputation of the FIA and its officials.

The Red Bull boss received an official warning for his remarks, which he made before the race to Sky, blaming a 'rogue marshal' for having put out the double waved yellow flags in qualifying which triggered Max Verstappen getting a five-place grid penalty.

Horner told the FIA that his reaction was one that was made "under the pressure of competition" following Verstappen's penalty, but stewards explained that the marshal concerned was "doing his job in precisely the manner prescribed in the International Sporting Code."

Their statement said Horner offered to apologise to the marshal concerned and to explain to the media
that he meant no offense, which was accepted by the stewards. He also offered to participate in the 2022 FIA International Stewards Programme.

After visiting the stewards to explain his actions, Horner apologised for any offence that his remarks may have made – especially to the marshals involved.

"Some comments were made, I think, in our interview earlier where you asked me about the marshalling and.... I'd like to make it clear that marshals do a wonderful, wonderful job," he told Sky.

"They are volunteers, and they do a great job. And my frustration in what I voiced earlier wasn't at marshals, it was at a circumstance.

"So if any offence was taken by any individual, then obviously I apologise for that. But it's still frustrating to end up with the situation that we had."

Horner said that he had also said sorry to the FIA stewards, as he made clear that his annoyance was more with the goings on around the yellow flags than the actions of any individual.

"I spoke with the FIA. I apologised if any offence in any way was created, because it wasn't the intention," he said.

"My frustration wasn't with an individual marshal. It was with a situation where one car had driven [through], there was no yellow. One car gets a single yellow, one car gets a double yellow. So it's the inconsistency across that.

"We can learn from that. As a sport we can learn from that, but all the marshals out there: we need you, we think you do a wonderful job. And apologies if any offence was interpreted."

Horner denied that the aggression in his original comments was a sign of the pressure of the title getting to him – as he suggested Mercedes' Toto Wolff had shown more visible signs of emotions with his now famous gesture to the cameras in Brazil last weekend.

"I think we've actually been fairly pretty good without our emotions," he said. "I haven't been pointing and swearing at cameras or that kind of thing.

"I'm straight. I tell you what I think. If I think you are being an arse, I will tell you you are being an arse."

 

Boring race at the front. Excellent race from p3 down. Well done Alonso! Mega podium.

Good to see Max’s penalty didn’t cost him any points in the end.

Bottas possibly the worst driver on the grid today (apart from Mazespin and Stroll obviously).

Championship nicely poised. Onwards to the party capital of the world - Saudi Arabia (not).

 

Full of sincerity, I'm sure

 

Not saying it's a repost, but Sky mentioned in Brazil that MB would save the engine after the race.

And Alpine referenced MB's flexi wing today.

 

Terrible track IMO, more of the same, doesn't add anything to the WDC.

 

Explained by Mario Isola: FL tires worn to 100%, no energy absorption for the carcass from high energy impacts over the curbs. Pressure loss was relatively well contained allowing drivers not to lose control.

All the punctures were on cars running long and at or over the maximum laps based on learning from Friday wear analysis.

 

Wonder if Honda is contemplating putting in a new Engine for Max the way MBZ has done for Lewis to even up the score. Especially with the fact that MBZ is keeping the Brazil engine in hand.

 

Great job by Max staying within a few seconds of first and gaining the FL point even before putting on the softs.

This championship world be in the bad for him now we’re out not for HAM and BOT torpedoing him at Silverstone and Hungary!! Not to mention Baku.

But, of course, this is lost on the muppets at Sky who think HAM deserves to be in the running still.

 

100% however, remember the same thing happened to Alonso in 2012 with Kimi and Lettuce taking him out. RB's bendy front wing at the time. I always thought that Alonso was robbed of that championship in 2012 and if Max loses it this year it will be definitely down to the nonsense of Baku (tire failure) and Silverstone and Hungary.

 

Have you guys noticed who were the steward stoday? Let me give you a hand in case not

gary Conelly and Pirro...also known as elton best friends!

 

Agreed here

The standings are what they are

LH has been driving at the top of his game during the most recent 2 events

Powered by Honda has had fairly good days on the most recent 2 races with P2 and 4. Also getting P11 and 13 today

Bottas' tire issue/DNF today certainly helps Powered by Honda'a chances in the Constructor's category

Nail biting to the end to see if Max and/or Powered by Honda will get the top honors for the season

 

Agree, bad luck for Verstappen.
But Red Bull strategists have also screwed up a few times this year, costing valuable points. Most recently in the race of Mexico, wherein both Red Bull cars were faster than Hamilton, but Red Bull didn't do the undercut therefore Perez got 3rd place instead of 2nd place. That's 3 valuable points for Red Bull!

Also in Italy bad pitstop from Red Bull (besides bad start from Verstappen), otherwise Verstappen should have won that race, extending the lead over Hamilton in points.

 

Can someone explain the logic of saving the faster engine from last week and risking a loss this week when MB needed to win 3 in a row? Was today's track smaller and didn't need the top end speed? Or is last week's engine so highly stressed it couldn't make 4 races to finish the season?

 

I think it was a bit of both - so save the engine for the next 2 tracks which will really benefit from the engine down the straights- as it stands now Hamilton needs to win the next two races and will get the WDC no matter if Max comes second or not.

Best,
Sammy

 

Agreed but probably brings money


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Officially, they don't want it to lose its performance advantage.

Unofficially, they used the engine as cover for other things.

 

and Monza..........some of that is on Max as well. This would not be the first title season with controversy. If LH wins this the utter conspiracy of the world will be pushed by some that its all due to Silverstone etc. It takes 2 drivers for some of this, minus Baku.

What needs to be said is how little actual development between some teams has taken place due to next year focus. This title and season are at the end of an era and in the background 2022 means more with distinct changes and potential for mix up of the grid. Who will adapt to the new cars quickly. Will Ricci gain the upper hand or will Max struggle and even LH as well. I look forward to seeing the end of this and it will be fun. Next year interests me even more now as this door closes on 2021 F1.

RedBull with its conspiracy mouth pieces of Horner and Marko - add Jos will toss out all kinds of things potentially. Certainly fans. The world will turn and next year will be here soon and this season forgotten rather quickly.

We have had a superb season presented to us. Speed, close battles and the politics surrounding it. F1 - not much really new in that formula lol

Will Ferrari shine? Be fast and challenge? Even more interest for that. Sainz and Charles have been close that I thought. Will the new car bring us an even close team battle and will Ferrari have to manage 2 strong drivers who are both at the front for the title? This is going to be an interesting winter and testing will be amazing. So much to come.

 

Minimize degradation and employ its greater power for the long straights in Saudi and Yas.

The simulation for Losail probably showed the other LH motor would provide sufficient power to be at the front and win potentially.

 

What caused the punctures? - https://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog/12538/11905328/the-f1-gossip-column-live
Explaining the tyre punctures, Pirelli chief Mario Isola said that they still need to investigate but that initial analysis is that the tyres were in fact very worn despite drivers not feeling any vibrations.

"The front left is the most stressed tyre - I don't want to say that this was caused by excessive energy or something like that," said Isola.

"The first elements that I can share with you are all the tyres were quite worn, close to 100%. We have cuts on the tyres that we have to understand if they were caused before the loss of pressure or after the loss of pressure.

"We are waiting for telemetry data from the teams, that is really important to understand if the loss of pressure was sudden. We have seen a lot of impact and high speed on the kerbs here it's not a secret that there was also damage to the chassis, to the floor, to the wings.

"When a tyre is worn, it's less protected from kerbs, from big and high energy impact, then it can happen that they start losing pressure and at this point you either have to change the tyre or they are flat."

Isola added, with all three drivers who suffered having been trying one-stop strategies: "The reason why we predicted a two stop strategy was mainly from the data of tyre wear that we collected on Friday."

 

Well, I am REALLY looking forward to 2022 - as the « 2014 Formula » - for obvious reasons - never really appealed to me.

Imagine our boys Charles & Carlos battling it out between the 2 of them for the WDC next year, with Maxie and Loulou driving around anonimously somewhere down the field.

Now that would really set this forum ON FIRE!!!!!

VAMOS!!!!

 

What I understood is the sudden speed improvement of Hamilton since Brazil being all due to the new engine.
Now they used an old engine and still they were firmly on top. Different that the races before Brazil.
This does however prove they did something else to the car right?

 

the last three tracks all favored Merc on paper. Brazil did not.