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  1. werewolf

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    #651 werewolf, Dec 5, 2021
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    Further evidence of steward bias in clear favor of Hamilton:

    The section referenced (in the recent ruling) from the sporting regs reads as follows:

    "It is not permitted to drive any car unnecessarily slowly, erratically, or in a manner deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time."

    Point #1: In penalizing Verstappen, the stewards keyed on the word "erratic". Now tell me, how is it "erratic" to hit your brakes after a long period of SLOWING, recognized as such by both drivers? Agreed, during a race there are many times when hitting the brakes would be considered "erratic". BUT ... after a long period of slowing? A period of slowing long enough to be recognized as such by both drivers? "I had no idea, Good Mr. Steward, that after a long period of slowing-down, that Max would actually hit his brakes! I mean, who could have expected that erratic move during a long period of slowing-down?"

    Point #2: Between the two drivers, it was Hamilton who had no good reason to be slowing, and following in lock-step, behind Verstappen. Why wasn't Hamilton penalized for violating the very same rule ... specifically, driving a car "unnecessarily slowly"??
     
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  2. lagunacc

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    If the penalty went against LH it would make a difference. But considering the decisions during the race, they won't rule against LH.

    They destroyed Max's race and created most of the chaos. If Max had to give the place back, why didn't they require Ocon to give the place back.
    LH pushed them both off the track in the exact same manner during subsequent restarts, and both Max and Ocon went off the track and stayed ahead of LH.

    Toto talking about adversity is funny. LH is one lucky dude.
     
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  3. absostone

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    Curious but Is that any different than saying Italian, or sicilian? Israelis?. Or that cant be commented on here? If a driver is muslim, buddhist etc that cant be said? Want to be clear.
     
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  4. absostone

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    And BTW there is a thread in F1 section called Jesus is out.... Zhou in
     
  5. absostone

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    Lots of penalties everywhere. LOL oh well.
     
  6. GTHill

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    I should have said "disparaging" comments. Of course mentioning a person's race or nationality is just fine as long as it isn't used in a negative manner.
     
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  7. Jack-the-lad

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    Apparently he was texting his fanboys at the time.....”the greatest fans in the world!!!!”:D
     
  8. Jack-the-lad

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    #658 Jack-the-lad, Dec 5, 2021
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    Thanks for quoting that post so we can all see it.

    He graciously put me on ignore today, for which I gave him a like. I’m generous that way.;)
     
  9. Jack-the-lad

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    #659 Jack-the-lad, Dec 5, 2021
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    I could enjoy a Prost /Senna moment.....Perez standing in, doing his duty.:D
     
  10. tbakowsky

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    That track is dangerous. I watched the practice rounds and I can only imagine what it was like behined the wheel. Russell is very right in his assessment. It needs work.

    Regardless..massive mistakes were made on both sides today. Personally..Ham rear ending Max..no need for that. Ham I think just froze and forgot his car had a steering wheel.

    Max was elbows out all race. That said he should have never gave up position the second time. Regardless of the fact he would have finished second anyway.

    Max did push the limits this race..yet so did Ham.
     
  11. absostone

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    And BTW I didnt insult you. No reason to insult me.
     
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  12. Nurburgringer

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    The guys and gals that designed and built the Merc's front wing better get a HUGE bonus.

    wrt to the "big incident", after hearing the radio message to let Lewis past Max briefly comes off the throttle, then gets back on it (leaving not a whole lot of room on the inside to be overtaken), the braked from over 300kph to 108kph (pretty much in the center of a very narrow track) coming onto the straight.

    This must be what giving a position back "strategically" means in RB speak.



    Now one race for all the marbles. What a season!
     
  13. Jakuzzi

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    NO on both counts today.....
     
  14. Jakuzzi

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    No to first, yes to the second. :)
     
  15. Jakuzzi

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    We ALL know that [allegedly] the FIA & Liberty will do everything in their power to guarantee that LH44 is a "WDC" again. :(
     
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  16. Jakuzzi

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    You are 100% correct!
     
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  17. Jakuzzi

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    Has been since 2007, but blatantly obvious since mid 2013. :(
     
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    And unfortunately that was the race that mentally broke Vettel :(
     
  19. Jakuzzi

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    Of Course!
     
  20. werewolf

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    So Hamilton was "erratically" on & off the throttle, in clear violation of the sporting regs, while following a car he knew to be slowing ... and ultimately accelerated right into the back of Verstappen.

    GREAT call by the stewards! No bias there, at all :rolleyes:
     
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    So happy to know that this track is around for another decade...
     
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  22. lagunacc

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    FIA fishing for data to justify the predetermined decision. Anyone know the G's generated from fully releasing the throttle?

    Hope we get Nico commentating in Abu Dhabi.
     
  23. DGS

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    Can we penalize the idiot that approved this track for F1?
     
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    #675 werewolf, Dec 5, 2021
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    "Lewis throttle again just before contact"

    Earlier in this thread, I claimed that Lewis slammed into Verstappen on purpose ... because it was the only explanation that made any sense! And here we have convincing data, that Hamilton ... following a car (for several seconds) he knew to be slowing ... hit the throttle just before the collision.
     
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