11,115 total units in 2022. 17 percent V12's or 1896 units. 2% of units were Icona - Monza SP1,SP2:so about 223 Monza's. 1896 - 223 = 1673 GTS and some Superfast which was phased out. How many Superfast ? So, not too many GTS built so far I think? On another note, mine was at Stage 50 last week and I received a couple of production photos. Delivery date supposed to be March/April. Can't Wait!!
Congrats on moving along on your status. My delivery timetable is the same, but my dealer isn't great about status updates. Anyway, regarding your calculations, don't forget there were 812 Comp and Comp Aperta's produced last year. I know it's not a large #, but certainly some were produced and delivered, further reducing the # of 2021 GTS.
Good point ! I forgot they produced some of the 812 C. Congrats toy as well ! It will be a nice addition for the spring/summer !
How many of the 812c/cA were "sold" & "delivered" in 2021...I think zero....the total units is regarding sold, not all production...so I believe the 812c/cA "production" is not included in the 2021 total...but a good number of V12s were built in 2021 that were either never going to be used in production (testing, homologation,etc) or were not delivered (but will be delivered in 2022...)
Definitely not "0". This was in July and November of 2021, and based on the photos of the thread on this site, those can't be undelivered units that the photos are of.
Those do not 'count', one is a dealer demo (and was the 'reveal car') and the other a magazine review test car (and there are a few yellow test cars too)...I presume none of those are intended for customer deliveries, in fact, they probably meet an early demise being used for "crash testing" for homologation in various countries around the world...
Let's just agree to disagree. They were produced, and I'm sure they were "included" in the production numbers above, which are for investor purposes and purposely would want to include all cars produced, no?
I have a feeling that Ferrari did its Ferrari thing of keeping production tight in the first year or so and then gauging demand and ramping it up on the backend (they have been doing this for the limited V8s since the Scuderia). There were many here who stated the 2000 number when the first orders were being taken and based on initial feedback that number seemed about right but suddenly in the past 6-8 months it seems like everyone who wants one is getting one so 4000-6000 now seems plausible to me.
Production is not in question, the 'record' was the number, 11,115 and it indicated the number of cars sold, that would typically mean Ferrari has received payment from the customer. Cars hanging around the factory are not sold. Sold does not indicate 'total production'...
Not sure but I will ask. I thought I may have had a shot (I was told it was possible) but nope. Heard racing history was important and I have done one corsa program and that’s all. Plus I have a decent history but plenty in the by are crush me.
Total 8,985 of 11,115 captured in the below markets: If 1,896 (17%) V12's - we identified 1,260 812/GTS without Japan breakdown + missing USA Dec (maybe 22 units) Not sure if total 812 will hit 1,673 as 223 for Monza looks low and Lusso Ferrari Europe 2021 - 5,118 F8 -1,845 Roma - 1,078 812 - 855 SF90 - 671 Portofino - 254 Monza - 206 488 - 157 GTC4 Lusso - 47 Ferrari US Jan - Nov 2021 (no Dec) - 2,198 F8 - 942 Roma - 424 812 – 385 SF90 - 306 Portofino - 59 Monza - no data 488 - 37 GTC4 Lusso - 35 Ferrari China 2021 - 432 F8 - 285 SF90 - 95 Portofino - 32 812 - 20 Ferrari Japan 2021 - 1,237 Don’t have model breakdown yet
Thank you for the information. Very interesting US numbers only 59 Portofino's and I am guessing there were not many in 2020.
Does this mean we are looking at 3000 or less GTS versions total? Some of those 812's delivered in 2021 was still Superfast versions. It was few, but still.
I just spoke to my salesman. My car is still on the ship from Italy but is expected in the next week or two. FWIW, he said they have a number of orders that have been accepted by the factory but haven't started production yet. He doesn't see how they all get filled. He said he expects the factory to cancel many of them like they did with the F8. I am glad my car is finished and on the way over.
You will find totals for the different markets here: https://corporate.ferrari.com/sites/ferrari15ipo/files/2022_02_02_-_ferrari_fy_2021_results_press_release.pdf Ferrari EMEA (incl. Europe) 2021 - 5,492 Ferrari Americas (incl. the US) 2021 - 2,831 (last three months of 2021: 721 cars) Ferrari China, Hong Kong & Taiwan 2021 - 899 Ferrari rest of APAC (incl. Japan) 2021 - 1,933 V8 sales up by 34,6%; V12 sales down by 16,1% I am interested in what your source is!
Official total by the way is 11.155 (so 40 more than LuxRes indicated) and combining the figures of the 2020 report (9119 cars of which 76% V8s and 24% V12s; but on the same page it says 24% GTs, 2% Icona and 74% sport & special series, so something seems to be wrong there assuming that all GTs as well as the Icona's are V12s) with the data of the 2021 report (V8s up by 34,6% and V12s down by 16,1%), I calculate for 2021: 9.328 V8s 1.837 V12s Which makes 11.165 cars (so 10 cars more than 11.155) See https://corporate.ferrari.com/sites/ferrari15ipo/files/2021_02_02_-_ferrari_-_fy_2020_results_presentation.pdf
Chet, I agree with you, I see them cancelling a lot of the GTS orders. If I was Ferrari and I was gong to cancel orders, I would start with the least optioned cars so they can maintain the high margin.
No real material change between the numbers - cited data is county specific while Ferrari combines markets. Our focus is tracking the major markets so we often don't pursue data from all markets. In general its hard to 100% replicate the numbers Ferrari reports but the splits between models are reliable. Also limited edition cars like Monza are hard to track: Ferrari EMEA (includes Middle East and Africa) - our cited data is Europe only 5,492 vs 5,118 (to get closer Ferrari's 5,492 - we would need to go county by county - example add the 16 cars Ferrari sold in Israel) Ferrari Americas (includes South and North Americas) - cited data is USA only 2,831 vs 2,198 (excludes Dec) (again my cited data is missing Brazil, Mexico, Argentina etc. - example Ferrari sold 13 cars in Chile) Ferrari China, Hong Kong & Taiwan 2021 - cited data is China mainland only (so no HK & Taiwan) 899 vs 432 Ferrari APAC (includes New Zealand, Australia, Singapore etc.) - cited data is Japan only 1,933 vs 1,237 (to get closer to Ferrari's 1,933 from the 1,237 we would need to go county by county so add 194 Australia, 38 New Zealand etc.) In some countries its possible to drill down to capture the number of GTS vs. SF - but its time consuming. Example: In Sweden it appears that 15 of the 19 812 sold in 2021 were GTS.
