There’s probably a law of diminishing returns but in essence, if 3,000 hp could be made to drive well, I guess why not? It’s a good reply though. I agree that speeding is becoming more and more anti social although perversely, I get more reaction to driving at the limit in a loud Ferrari (our 512 M with Tubi for example) than doing a much higher speed in an EV. So having a noisy but less powerful car, the sort every petrolhead everyone seems to love, doesn’t really help. I’m sure you know that can’t be right. Firstly, he doesn’t build his own engines and secondly his production is so small that the restrictions that apply to a manufacturer like Ferrari bear little resemblance to those applying to GMA. Of course, everyone is enthralled by a low volume, ‘medium’ power, low weight, no expense spared sports car. Ferrari’s equivalent could be the Icona series but it’s not exactly the same - they use Ferrari’s own engines for one difference and they are about €1m less for another. So they are at least doing something in a similar vein to GMA. For a larger manufacturer like Ferrari that’s worth applauding isn’t it? For higher volume, more regular production, Ferrari are going in the best direction for them. High power, with great control and a stylish (objective point but compared to a Tesla?) appearance. As I mentioned in my earlier post (to which there were some excellent counter-arguments from Italiafan and others) Porsche’s GT department are doing what many would like Ferrari to do but the problem is that Porsche is so good at it and especially so when you consider the price they can do it for. Could Ferrari beat the GT3 or GT3 RS? That’s a tough call and most likely too big a risk for Ferrari to take, all the more so when you realise that the price point is much less than for other the segments they have already taken on. I would still maintain that Ferrari are right for sticking to what its best at - high power, high price, exotic-looking cars with excellent dynamics and chassis engineering and response. It would be arrogant of them to think they could walk into Porsche territory and simply take away the GT business from them. A brand new design 500 hp, 1,350 kg sports car from Ferrari would be less track-robust and cost much more than a GT3, have less performance than a 296 and could only work if they limited it and charged a very high price for it (say, £400k, $600k). Is that what we really celebrate about Ferrari - low power, high price and you can’t buy one? Or you might argue for a 296 non-hybrid? Isn’t that a 488 GTB with two less cylinders and a higher price? How is that a step forward? I can understand the desire for a simple, low weight, high performance Ferrari but how realistic and sensible is it in the real world? I can at least see why they have not gone that route.
It is in fact a strategic choice. Ferrari could make clean C02 with the PS la Roma and the completely electric SF 90, and complete with CO2 with an NA 296 and an NA V 12 version SP 3. They make other choices, sometimes for irrational reasons that we will not mention here. It is above all a question of people and strategy. If you want to know, the development of the new Dino was stopped after the Marchionne era, but the design was ready and the development advanced. Ferrari no longer manufactures sports cars, but heavy statutory GTs. Nothing prevented them from declining a standard NA V12 version, at a price of 812 for the SP3. the current modular platform allows this without problems. But, the plans produced are made by people who only think about power, and who have a certainty in their margin of error, that of capitalizing on the badge (speech that we often hear). If it weren't for this legendary badge on the cars, the level of production would, in my opinion, be much lower.
it's not a SUV it's just a raised Lusso as many already said, lacking the presence vs Urus, Cullinan etc....which in itself is ok, but wonder whether it can justify the price point ....at the end the Lusso wasn't exactly flying of the shelves at a lower price point
According to @day355 this is a proper large automobile and way closer to a SUV rather than a raised Lusso. This is meant to compete head on with the Urus/Benteyga/DBX.
If a Bentley is perhaps the archetypal GT, the only cars that get close in the Ferrari range are the Roma, Portofino and maybe the 812 GTS (though when you own one, it doesn’t really feel limited in handling terms like a normal GT would). The SF90 is too uncomfortable, quick and hard riding in AF form to be considered a GT (just because you can drive long distances in one doesn’t make it a GT). The 812 Competizione is never a GT, neither are the SP 1, 2 and 3. The 296 could be considered to be but really isn’t, its packaging is too uncompromising and like the F8 and 488 before it, it majors on driving feel over comfort and power delivery is certainly not ‘lazy’ like a good GT. There is also an AF variant of the 296 which goes even further away. So I find it difficult to agree with your conclusion that Ferrari no longer manufactures sports cars, just sounds like a cliche to me.
MY wife drives a Bentayga; dear Lord, I hope the PS doesn’t drive like it. It has amazing comfort, but let’s not call it sporty….!
I think people throw around the SUV term rather loosely because it is, in fact, a rather loose term. Sport Utility Vehicle used to mean: Sport as in off-road capable (not necessarily hard core), Utility as in it can carry stuff and is functional, Vehicle as in …er… vehicle. We had a Suburban when we had kids so we could drive around the ranch AND take the kids to and from town AND have enough room for crap when we went shopping, vacations etc. it was an SUV but most assuredly not a Sporty drive!!! Now it is just my wife and I with two little dogs. We have a Wrangler which I consider an SUV. My wife mostly drives a Macan which I do not really consider an SUV because I don’t think I want to take it down ranch roads. Tires too low profile, too expensive. That one is a very “sporty” drive, however…. And it sits taller so it is an SUV in today’s vernacular. I don’t know where exactly the break over is between hatchback, 4 door hatchback and station wagon is, but I suspect from the manufacturers’ positions it is largely a marketing decision. The PS will probably not be a lumbering off road capable SUV. Nor will it be a precise canyon carving F8 or Pista. But it will drive very well, be capable of carrying four passengers well and have room for a modest grocery run. So technically, it is a ??? with a glorious V12! I’m on the list! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
That is precisely why they created their own word: FUV. At first I thought it was a ludicrous term, but now I understand their marketing wizardry.
It is a silly term, but I guess you are right. What do you call it? FUV - Ferrari Useful V12! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
This talk of multiple thousand or even 10 thousand hp EV Ferraris is missing one important fact. EVs will be speed and acceleration limited in public. Its for your own good don't you know. Someone posted about potential legislation already going around and not just blinking warning lights. Otherwise, OEMs would for sure produce ever increasing hp numbers. Its far too easy with giant batteries and copper wire motors.
Forced to buy an electric vehicle find out your mother is in the hospital wait 4 hours to charge car just so it can go 150 miles wait 8-9 hours just for it to go 300 miles EV finally finishes charging has to update, it will take 40 mins depending on connection update failed, restarting update and car wont even start finally done, unplug EV and get ready to drive voice comes on "there is a special covid alert today, you can only drive to your local store and back" if you drive longer or over so many miles then your EV will shut off and a tow truck will be called at your own expense press the agree button or the EV wont start start to pull out of driveway EV stops before you even hit the street EV voice asks if you would like to turn on auto pilot to the store you push yes voice asks you sit sit and watch these new ads until the autopilot is finished loading and updating the route finally are able to drive a bit but autopilot wants you to still hold the wheel get to the store and get a phone call, mother is dying from the vax... i mean climate change try to drive to hospital but car notices you are not following the assigned route home EV shuts down tow truck called you are on the EV's touch screen phone watching your mother die your mother is about to tell you her dying last words when an ad interrupts the call it's a 'get a booster' ad by pfizer
