Thank you for the profound lesson. What was learned? Hold on to what you have, pre-EV or only shop the back catalog...
Or hire a hacker to hack the car-disconnect from the internet and fool the car into thinking it’s in full compliance. Of course the green police will eventually notice you are off the grid and come looking for you. You are then sent to a re-education (ie work) camp for 5 years of hard labor mining lithium for the next set of green car batteries. You barely survive the 5 years and die a month after discharge from leukemia… Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
How can it not have a V12!? An 812 with a V8 or V6 would be the death of that model. We already have the SF90 or 296 for that!
It'll have a V12 even just for marketing reasons but likely a much smaller capacity one with possibly turbos and certainly some form of hybrid assist.
I know there is a lot of reason to believe the F167 project that has been in-process since at least 2017 will be eventually revealed. I am not entirely certain it will ever occur. I know there is some sort of 'roma bodied test mule' and it has been 'confirmed' as the F167 test mule, but there is something quite odd about this entire process and with pending Euro 7 regulations that are still in-flux (supposedly will be released in 3 months), I could see where the F167 project is terminated before reveal.
Our reliable sources on this forum have confirmed the replacement numerous times. The no replacement rumors are starting to sound like wishful thinking. Sent from my LG-G710 using Tapatalk
That sounds very skeptical. As day355 said before, the design of the car is finished and technical testing for the production car is ongoing (i´m nearly sure the roma test mule is used for that). The car is expected in 2023 and that's six years after the 812 Superfast. So everything is normal and I find it hard to imagine that the new emission standards will change anything about that fact. Perhaps our ferrarichat “archivist“ Mr. Massini knows if the company has ever stopp a serial car during its final development. Ok... in the worst case, a V6 hybrid is needed (just kidding).
Feb 2017 (812SF reveal) counting the years: Feb 2018 (1) Feb 2019 (2) Feb 2020 (3) Feb 2021 (4) (812SF out of production mid-2021) Feb 2022 (5) Feb 2023 (6) Feb 2024 (7) If revealed in late 2023 as @day355 indicated that would be a little less than 7 years, and if delayed at all, more than 7 years Compared to the accelerated pace of the rear-mid-engine models (488,F8,296, in span of 6.5 years, Feb 2015-June 2021) the 812 successor development is glacially challenged. Compounded by the fact that Michael Leiters who was on record multiple times 'championing the future of the V12' was FIRED in December 2021 a few days before Christmas gives me pause not to mention chairman Elkann is 100% wanting all electric futures... And emissions requirements are exactly why Ferrari has gone turbo V8, then hybrid V8 and now turbo hybrid V6...it does have an impact. Anyway, we have years before the outcome is known, so speculation is all I have at the moment.
if i recall--somebody (maybe it was Mr. Massini) noted that they have orders to fulfill production through the next 3 years? not sure how they squeeze in another full production car that has not been formally announced yet
Hm... that's a very cleverly noted point. And didn't their plan revealed at the Capital Markets Day 2018 mention 15 models until 2022? Ok… 1) F8 Tributo (3/2019) 2) SF90 Stradale (5/2019) 3) F8 Spider (9/2019) 4) 812 GTS (9/2019) 5) Roma (11/2019) 6) Portofino M (10/2020) 7) SF90 Spider (11/2020) 8) 812 Competizione (5/2021) 9) 812 Competizione A (5/2021) 10) 296 GTB (6/2021) 11) Daytona SP3 (11/2021) 12) 296 GTS (4/2022) 13) Purosangue (?/2022) What are the last two models to fullfill this plan or did i forget a model?
I thought the Monza SP1 and SP2 were announced during that 15 models by 2022 capital markets prediction? https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/ferrari-monza-sp1-sp2-debut-ferraris-powerful-v12-engine/
There's a huge thread in the General section accounting for the 15 models from the 2018 plan and at the June 16 Capital Markets Day the next plan should be announced
Hm... so 15 models at all (including the SP1 and SP2). So the Purosangue might be the last of this 15 models. Hope the F167 is one of the new models in 2023. I don't give up the hope... What is Ferrari without a new big GT?
Agreed! One other thought on Leiters being fired, he is now CEO at McLaren, and, I wonder if any of his V12 team moved with him...
So It'll be 4621mm long which means a much smaller capacity V12 with some form of hybrid assist and maybe Turbos
We are all talking about a brand new V12 but no one has confirmed this .. We know since the Laferrari that the typo F140 could be paired with an electric motor..
