Help a Porsche guy choose a Ferrari ;)

Remember what I wrote earlier about 0-60 times and getting a Tesla

There are 3 systems the Ferrari has that you should read up on. F1-Trac, E-Diff, and SSC2. Porsche has PDCC and PASM, both systems are active body roll management. Really good but Ferrari uses MagneRide suspension which I think negates the need for a system like PASM. Ferrari’s approach to traction is more focused on getting the car to the point of side slip and pulling it back using torque vectoring. The car actually anticipates the angle the car should be in during a turn and measures lateral acceleration against where it thinks it needs to be. Porsche focuses on keeping the car flat and controlling wheel spin.

If you drive the 458 like a Porsche you will be disappointed. If you get past the “this car is trying to kill me” and drive the 458 like you are intending to drift it the traction control system will convince you it is unlike anything on earth, except a McLaren. I still prefer taking my 911 to the track but I know that my Ferrari is much faster even though the specs would say otherwise. The E-Diff is where Ferrari wins in racing.

 

Welcome! Make sure you try to get some behind-the-wheel time. The F430 and 458/88 are very different in feel. One should speak ever so louder to your soul.



Looking forward to hearing which you eventually choose!

 

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The New York high pressure style advert was major turnoff

Porsche is a no drama car. Very reliable, smooth, capable ... just no drama zzzz
You really need Ferrari

 

He’s very NY. I grew up in NY. I love the guy. What many love about him is his knowledge and access. I call him and say “if you find a xxxx, call me.” And he says, I happen to have access to one now. Would you consider…….


For me, my energy is in the dealer relationship but I would not hesitate to buy or sell from him at all.


(No relationship, business or otherwise but multiple interactions which have been rewarding and pleasant).


What are you waiting for?

 

fly down to LA and rent one on Turo. You can drive it all day and really get a feel for the car.

I understand that you are committed to a test drive, Be prepared to fly somewhere. There are not a lot of these cars available, regardless of market conditions. When I am shopping my search is always nationwide.

 

1 & 2 are relatively easy to overcome. Agree with the fly and Turo comment. Rent a garage is pretty straight forward. Though I’m prettt sure you’ll relocate one of the Porsches once you get the 458.

3 is a mystery. If we hit a big recession and everyone heads from the door you stand to capitalize. Short of that there’s not a lot of options in the Ferrari market with the new model backlogs.

My guess is the next window is when the 296s start coming in and folks trade in their 458/488 for them. But even that feels 6-12mo off if we are lucky. QIf you’re patient I don’t think you lose by waiting. They can’t climb much higher right now. Most likely path is down and worst case they hold steady.

 

Get a 458


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“Relocate “. I know what you really mean.


Drive it buy it love it.

Show of hands anyone who bought a 458 and said I just don’t like it?

The price is irrelevant if you never sell.

 

Had a 991.2 turbo in chalk. Bought a 488 spider

Putting on my flame suit.

I really miss that car. It was perfect and no issues and easy although it wasn’t a daily driver it could be one. I believe that car is faster and more planted than my 488. You can get a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty underwritten by the same company that wrote Audis CPO warranty for about 4k and I was about to do that. Talk about stress free!

When I drive the 488 I pay attention. I won’t answer my phone even on handsfree and barely talk to my passenger. I think about every turn and all the cars around me. I am far from relaxed and confident in my 488 Spider.

When we go places. I scope out the parking situation ahead of time and there are places I won’t take the F Car.

Things can go wrong and I stress over that. I had to replace a rubber stopper in the frunk the size of a nickel. 89 bucks! For basically a rubber washer. My car has 6K miles and is garaged and parts of the dash are bubbling. 4k. I heard that sometimes the main seal on the engine leaks. 20k job

On the flip side, the 488 is an experience like no other. It makes people happy to see it. When we go out, it is a spectacle and so far positive. Even in one hour of stand still traffic is a fun experience. People will interact with you the whole time

Porsche can not come close to sound of the exhaust.

The styling is beautiful. I enjoy looking at this car in my garage almost as much as driving it. It’s a work of art

When I drive the F car I get goosebumps still. My heart races. Not so much with the Porsche

Finally the people you meet in Ferrari world is so much better than Porsche. At least for us. I have People in the Ferrari world to be more sophisticated, more accomplished, and I feel don’t have this attitude of trying to prove something. They are more friendly and diverse in my opinion. Porsche seemed dominated with old, engineers or young guys with Caymans talking about how they were going to get a GT3 soon.

You are paying a lot now for F cars, but you will also get more for your trade. I drove my Porsche for 2.5 years and made 20k on it on trade at the dealer!!!!

I don’t make enough money to not stress about the F car. Someday I hope to be the guy that doesn’t stress when the dealer tells me it’s 100k to change the batteries on my La Ferrari or to cough up the 4 figure yearly registration tax in California

If I was more baller, it would be no question about choosing a F Car



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Hey, that sounds like me

it’s all good, I’ve got a couple of fcars to ease the pain

 

I would contend that someone with a couple F cars and a Cayman saying they want a GT3 is different than someone that just has a Cayman making the same statement.




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Interesting thread and a lot of great insight. I think if you have never had a Ferrari, then I definitely understand the draw and would recommend a 458 Spider or a Manual 430 Spider.

I went from Porsche (911) to Porsche/Ferrari (911 and 360 Spider gated manual) to Ferrari (360 and 2014 California 30) and now I'm back full time in the Porsche world (981 Boxster S for a daily, 718 Spyder for the weekends, and a Cayenne for when the other two are not practical). I also spent extensive time driving a friends F430 and 458 Spider (not as much time in the 488, but I clearly enjoyed the 458 more).

If one has the means, then I do think its a great experience for a car enthusiast to own a Ferrari.

At the moment, I would not trade my 2021 Porsche Spyder for any other car. My favorite type of driving is canyon carving and the Spyder is king (plus, I strongly prefer a manual transmission, and the 458 only comes with flappy paddles). Just my preference and nothing against any Ferrari, they are amazing cars!

As someone else previously said.....I love every Ferrari I've owned (and driven), and I love every Porsche that I've owned and driven. I've driven most of them, and again to me there is no better car than the 718 Porsche Spyder with a manual transmission. This is just based on my driving style and preferences. I do not track cars, just tons of road trips and thousands of miles in the mountains and canyons. If I get back into the Ferrari world it will be with a manual 430 or maybe when i'm older and a manual is no longer enjoyable a 458. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I 100% agree!! I would probably enjoy a gt4/spyder more, but have to stick with my gts since I can fit winter 18inch wheels over the brakes. My gated f430 more than makes up for it on the weekends! I know it’s likely outperformed by the gt4, but the sounds, thrill, and gated shifter can’t be beat

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My friend is currently having his F430 converted. I can't wait to try it with the gated manual. It's not a Spider, but the shifter will keep me happy.

 

100% understand and highly recommend following through with it! My vote is for a F430 and have it converted to a gated manual or if paddles are your preference get a 458 Spider!

Part of what makes the 718 Porsche Spyder so special is the NA 4.0 motor Porsche put in it, far different than the 718 turbo motors (although I think those are fine for the base model cars!).

Best of luck on your Ferrari search!

John

 

Every car enthusiast needs to scratch that itch. I’d either go classic (328) or modern (458).

But keep your Porsche! I’m back in a 911 now and love it (964). Maybe another 328 if I recover from injuries from a few years back and can work a clutch…


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The 488 Spider is a great car, but definitely drive a 458 Spider to be sure. Make sure it has the LED steering wheel (LEDS) with five lights to indicate RPM: 5500, 6250, 7000, 7750, and 8920. Put it in Race, put it in Manual and then do not shift until you see at least the 4th LED in the first few gears. You don't need to drive it fast, just drive it loud. Then you'll know if you want the 488 or the 458.

 

I didn't like it after a test drive, so wasn't going to buy it. Mistake maybe to drive it after a Huracan, which was so entertaining and fun

 

Having owned both F430 and 458, the 458 is much easier to deal with in traffic. If you get the manual F430 then traffic is no problem. DCT really makes the 458 a good daily driver. F430 is also great and feels more raw with the punch shifts.


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