FF PTU Rebuild

https://www.parkesperformance.co.uk/
Worth the effort, I have only heard good from my pals in Europe plus they guarantee there rebuild..

 

Has anyone learned what actually fails in the PTU and are the rebuilders doing their work with improved parts to prevent this from happening in the future? I bought the Power15 warranty for my FF so i'm not as worried, but if it goes it would be nice to know that its being rebuilt to not happen again.

 

There is an entire thread on here addressing PTU failure. Look at the last two or three pages where all of the options are talked about. The best one in my opinion is the company Great Britain. They have units already rebuilt and exchange for it.

 

Hi Howard,

While I haven't read the entire PTU Design Flaw thread (because for my past two years of FF ownership I've been covered under warranty, and willfully ignorant) -- I do have a few notes:

Firstly, I got a call from my Service Rep a few months ago asking about whether I was having any issues with mine, as he had a customer (original owner) who had neglected his routine maintenance to the point where the PTU failed. Cost to repair was approximately what you were quoted by your dealer, but more for other needs that had gone unmet. Only one other time did he have a PTU failure in his time there, and it was covered under warranty.

Second, while I've been under warranty and free to ignore the issue, I've thought about what happens after year 15, when the warranty will no longer be offered by the dealer. What then? -- of course, I looked into GTE, but understood the cost to be far, far less -- like $15k. So very suprised you got asked for $25k.

Moving on, given this thread, I called my dealer service rep today and asked about whether anyone (or even the factory) had ever pre-emptively addressed the issue (which has probably been discussed in the other PTU Design Flaw thread) - I just haven't covered it yet...why? -- because...

...it turns out just few days ago a fellow out in LA. Lets call him hollywoodmechanic dot com, did a YouTube video which goes on to show a critical material weakness (not a design flaw, per se) where the super-thin (fragile) circlip retaining rings on the shift fork bearings break off and disintegrate within the PTU. It looks like it's an inevitable failure. Good video shows what's up. So guy goes ahead and basically replaces with heavy-duty circlips, and redoes all the gaskets, belts and bushings while he's in there. And he was trying to keep it under $10k -- including the price of the "rebuild kit".

So yeah. What to do? -- if out of warranty, is it worth shipping your car across the country to these guys? -- dunno, but I'm taking my warranty out 'till the end, and will hope in the meantime it breaks and I get it fixed for free. And if it breaks after it's out of warranty? -- probably try to use this guys rebuild kit in conjunction with a mechanic who's done a PTU, or try to get a bit more comfort on price with GTE, or find an alternative/equivalent.

Can't bear to think of letting this beast go too soon.

PTC

 

To me this looks like the current best option.

https://www.parkesperformance.co.uk/2022/02/modified-ferrari-ff-gtc4-lusso-ptu-rebuild/

If/when mine fails, that's where it will go for repair.

For perspective it's not far off the cost of a Novitec Exhaust or a new set of wheels/tyres and seems to me to be a no brainer if it is indeed a permanent fix and allows me to own/run this car indefinitely.

 

All well and good, but I hardly expect OP is going to pull the PTU and send it overseas just yet. He's in New Jersey, USA, not Jersey, Channel Islands.
Regardless, Parkes looks great.
For him, it's GTE as most convenient most experienced but dang $25k is a harsh number on the FF worth around $150k today here in the USA.
Tough call, even with all the cash to blow -- not a good look to have a factory issue put onto the owners, even if only a handful of incidents, it applies to all.
PTC

 

Tha

That's where the exchange offering they have makes sense for overseas buyers.

Buy a repaired/upgraded unit, ship it over, remove old one/fit new one - car back on the road immediately - ship old unit back to UK.

Still likely to be less than $25K even with the shipping costs for an unpgraded solution.

With a bit of sensible advice from a shipping agent about how to word the customs documents for a repair/warranty work you should also be able to minimise import duties.

 

I find some of the numbers quoted by US Ferrari dealers frankly absurd. The official fix for this is now available from Ferrari at circa $12K for the parts.

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/FF/FF_(RHD)/PartDiagrams/0027/PTU_REPAIR_KIT

Meaning the dealer wants to charge around $38K in labour to remove, rebuild and re fit the PTU.

Bear in mind that's for rebuilding it with the existing parts that are known to fail.

$25K from GTE is strong, never mind $50K for what is know substandard solution.

 

For reference here is the breakdown of the offerings from Parkes for their solution, cut and pasted from the main thread.

Post #752 on this thread:- https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ff-ptu-design-flaw.605529/page-31



They respond very quickly in inquiries. Here is the email I got today from them on serving PTUs. Being in the US, option 2 is great.

Hi Brendan,

Thank you for your interest in our PTU repair service!

I have copied my business partner Martin into this email, as we both jointly carry out PTU repairs.

As you can see from the website, we totally renew the hydraulic fork assemblies, which have been redesigned in house and manufactured from stronger grade materials.

We now have over 31 repaired gearboxes on the road.

We do offer 3 options for our repair;

1.You remove your PTU and send it to us 2. We send you a repaired PTU, you send your old PTU back to us. 3. Drive in / Drive out - bring your Ferrari to our workshop, we remove, repair and refit your PTU

Option 1 £6500 GBP - Plus shipping charges


Remove your PTU and send to us by courier, or delivery in person. We repair your PTU and either courier back to you, or you can collect in person.


If delivering / collecting in person, the repair takes one full day, so an overnight stay is recommended, after which you return home with your PTU. There is no issue with customs as it is your private goods.


If delivering by courier, customs have made the paperwork difficult to carry out ‘temporary shipments’. This means customs and VAT is charged, but can be claimed back – check with your accountant.


Option 2 £12500 GBP, (including £6000 Refundable Deposit). - Plus shipping charges.


We have 2 repaired PTU's in stock. We send you one of these so your workshop can complete the job without delay.

We have to charge a surcharge of £6000, until your old PTU is returned to us. We dismantle and check it is in repairable condition, after which the surcharge is returned to you.



Option 3 £7950 GBP


Bring your car to our workshop in Ullenhall near Birmingham. We carry out the full job including removal, repair and refit of the PTU. This includes all required fluids, Repair and labour.

This too would involve an overnight stay in the nearby Stratford Upon Avon, which is a beautiful location.


Option 3 is not really viable for our customers abroad,


I hope this helps. Do let us know if you need any more information.

 

I’ve sent Ferrari parts for repair/rebuild to specialist on the west coast for years no issues with distance I’m in Florida,
You want the best for peace of mind the two English guys who do the rebuild have had great success.
Remember it’s become a smaller world in regards to shipping..

 

Here is the youtube.com video referenced above.

 

Agree. These guys reengineered the parts that were failing.

 

Easier to swallow than 25 or 50k, but how does one in the USA go about doing this without seemingly sending the car to the UK?

 

And I see that I should have probably read the whole thread lol

 

No kidding, this thread is a good one because we know now after that YouTube video (thanks Sandman for the link) and Papou for the comments -- we can choose to send our PTUs to the UK, or we can send them from Florida or Connecticut to California -- we can send anything anywhere (including ourselves with the parts) -- thx Alan for the legwork in rechecking the threads. If it's not GTE it's there in at Parkes' 2027 - all good (!) ...now it's just $10K? $12k? $15k? -- please keep us posted Howard on how it goes -- this thread is worth watching now that there is another patient on the table...

 

I'm looking down the barrel of this with my GTC4 Lusso. I'm surprised there hasn't been some formal coverage by Ferrari. I wonder what the new unit in the Purosangue will change.
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When a car company (or any company for that matter) has more customers for it's products than it's manufacturing capacity, there's little compulsion for them to solve problems that turn out to be through design flaw or inadequate component construction. Unless it's a safety issue and covered by legal obligations.

The can just gets kicked down the road until an industrious third party company comes up with a better solution

Ferrari offer a repair kit for the PTU's now. They don't require complete replacement, but you're replacing like for like, so failure again at some point in the future is likely if not inevitable.

When mine needs doing, which I feel is a matter of time, then it'll be be going to Parkes for an upgrade/rebuild. Luckily I live in the UK so that's not a chore for me.

 

Update: a damaged hydraulic line was the culprit for me. My dealership said it wasn't the first they had seen.


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So interesting.
So it's now splitting into a two-pronged thread:
One -- the broken Circlip guys are looking at that piece on the PTU Shift-Forks (consensus is this is a material weakness, and Parkes or GTE can fix for $$$)
Two -- now there is a line-failure, or a coupling-failure -- totally different from the material failure in the circlip.
Belts and hoses are going to fail - just a matter of when. I'd think anyone would be happy to get 10 years out of any belt-or-hose...
But that metal retaining-circlip? -- guys are now making them better-than-new, and we're left to debate whether to go that route or stick with weaker OEM...
Makes me think when i'm out of Warranty 2012+15=2027 then I'll be forced to consider aftermarket parts? -- Dear Maranello, please say it ain't so...

 

I had that happen on my FF.

 

My question is this , why would Ferrari want this issue out there being the FF/Lusso was
there first attempts at all wheel drive system especially withe the launch of the Purosanque
that employ’s the same systems.

 

I thought GTE was 10k and you are in NJ right in their backyard?
And what are your symptoms to think it is going bad??

 

All the time they are oversubscribed for production there is no compulsion for them to address anything.

Get upset about it? Not going to buy another F car? There's 10 people waiting behind you for the opportunity.

It is what it is and you just have to be relaxed about it and accept it's one of the costs of ownership.

What will be interesting, now they are churning out more and more cars each year and allocation becomes less of a problem is if that business model/attitude is sustainable.

 

Same. No issue. Pay for the PTU with a core deposit. Send yours when out. No delay.

Right now I have my 308gt4 parts all over the world being rebuild. In a cottage in England, California, and New Jersey.

My 360 had the window regulators rebuilt for a fraction of the replacement cost in California.

Works great. No delay to you and good service.


What did the OP do?


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