599 on flames!

You keep saying I am wrong but fail to provide any science to prove your claim. You appear to think saying "You're delusional" and casting insults makes your one-off link "proof". Post up the science of how you are detonating gasoline at STP without sufficient oxygen. HINT: it can't be done. Then again, I guess ignorance is bliss.

 

Many years ago, i believe it was in the 80s, i saw a film, where someone throws a burning match into a full gas tank.
It happens nothing, the match extinguished.

Also in the eighties, in the street i lived, a man placed his old car on a greenfield.
Some kids played there, car was open, gas tank was nearly empty.
A boy from the neighborhood threw a burning match into the gas tank, a darting flame came out, his face was burnt by the flames.

As John said before, the mixture with oxygen is the relevant detail.
Fire and then an explosion of the gas tank is not really realistic.


Daniel

 

For an explosion, the mixture (gas-oxygen) have to be in a disposed proportion AND the mixture has to be in a closed tank under pressure.
Under and over this proportion it never explodes

Outside the proportion for a burning mixture, it do not burn, a full tank is outside a burning mixture.

And most important, for an explosion you need a closed tank, you need to get an explosive mixture under pressure.
Modern gas tank are ventilated, so if you are in the mixture for an explosion, you mostly have no pressure for an explosion.

So it's not really realistic that a car explodes when burning.

Daniel

P.S.
But to be honest, knowing this, i would not get near a burning car, it could explode (with a very very small percentage)

 

Anyone have ideas on the best fire extinguisher for 599?

 

So my car just went in for its annual service yesterday and even without taking the covers off I could see the oil seeping all over the hoses! The check valve and hoses are now ordered and the problem will be resolved in a few weeks.

I think this is something everyone should check. This could be the reason many of these cars have burned.

 

So my real question is why is this happening? Is it that the hoses can't take that much heat? Is the valve malfunctioning? I noticed this problem right after you posted your fire. I've been driving in fear since then but decided to wait until the annual service to deal with it.

 

Subscribed and will do this fix asap.

Thank you guys for this info

 

Looks like a very good candidate for Aeroquip Fire Sleeve. We use it all over the land speed record cars. Comes in a lot of sizes and really works to provide heat protection to hoses and cables.

Its the silver and orange sleeving seen on this thing. The exterior is an oil resistant silicone like material and oil will just wipe off.

 

I'm scheduled to have the valve replaced in May, waiting on parts from Italy. Meanwhile, I cleaned the entire area so for now it will be easy to monitor any leakage.

 

So my 599 had the exact same thing happen. The hose split in the same spot and everything after a little aggressive driving. Fortunately I pulled over right away and I did not have a fire. I tried to order the hose from Scuderia part number 251559 and they said it's no longer available with no recommendation on a replacement. I'm just wondering if you ordered the same hose, or if you car is a right hand drive and uses part number 251560, which is available?

 

Ferrari oil breather check valve part number is: 265721.

 

Thank you for the response, I have the breather info. The part I'm looking for is hose 251559, which is for a left hand drive car. No one seems to have this hose available and claim it will not be reproduced. JM280z was able to find a hose, so that's why I was wondering if his is a right hand drive car, which requires hose 251560 and is still available.

 

So, here is a picture of my oil breather valve after getting all cleaned up. the hose was so loose you could turn it with your hand. My opinion is that the valve is too big for the hose which then pushes the oil out because the size of the hose can't handle the flow.
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My car has never been driven super hard by me or the first owner and yet there was oil everywhere. With enough heat this could have easily become a fire.
Here's the new valve and new hoses.
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As recommended, we wrapped the valve and hoses.
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I'm not convinced this problem isn't going to return, I was hoping the new valve would be more stout than the original but it doesn't appear to be. I feel the bore through the valve needs to be changed to allow the oil flow that the hoses can handle, but for now it's cleaned up.
I also think all 599 owners should monitor this area.

 

My 599 GTB is a 2010 model with about 13000 miles, of which 10,500 miles have been from my ownership. I have driven the car hard a few times on tracks, (COTA and Indy ) with no problems. Decided to check this blow by valve and connecting hoses today after reading these posts. My valve is gray and connections into both sides of tubing is loose - can turn easily with hand. The connecting tubing has some oil soaked into it but I see no evidence of oil drips. I saw a note when I was looking at these parts that Ferrari recommends replacement every 2 years or 24,000 miles. I know mine has never been replaced as I have all maintenance records - think I will get it replaced next time I have it in for service.

But I am thinking I will wrap it in the meantime and keep an eye on it. What are you using to wrap the valve and attached tubing?

Thanks to those that posted about this.