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  1. dignini

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    All of the UK Dinos I have seen, had the Ferrari badge on the boot lid, and the bumper bar on the front. In as much as the sole importer made these mods and were not customer requested options, then IMO they are original. Now like all other things, the Dino owner has the final say...its just that when original goes its gone. Am I alone in this?
     
  2. tx246

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    I understand what you are saying about the "ferrari" script, but the nose protector and side mirrors have always been claimed to be "dealer added" and not factory, yet there are photos of the Dino's at the factory before delivery with these items. I find it VERY hard to believe the factory NEVER fitted a Ferrari script to a Dino before it left the gates.
     
  3. UroTrash

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    would you post one of these photos? I've never seen them.
     
  4. abstamaria

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    Not helpful as to what is original, but perhaps there is room for "correct"?

    I am starting to warm up to the idea that UK cars could wear Ferrari emblems if they have always had those since new, even if fitted not by the factory but by the UK concessionaire. They're part of the car's legitimate history.
     
  5. UroTrash

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    Slippery slope.
     
  6. GermanDino

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    #6 GermanDino, Oct 25, 2010
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    The nose bar have been extra options at extra costs requested by customers...
    Not all RHD UK deliveries had these options.
    I´m very interested in the Ferrari badge thing... (fitted to all Maranello Concessionaires deliveries?!)
    Anybody anything to add?
    Regards Matthias
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  7. Julio Batista

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    I don't find it hard to believe at all.

    The factory NEVER fitted a Ferrari script on a Dino. For reasons of good taste (the Ferrari script is graphically very different from the Dino script), and because the Dino was not considered a Ferrari, following the Boss's (Enzo Ferrari) explicitly stated, and documented, instructions.
     
  8. isuk

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    Matthias,

    Last week I got in touch with Tony Willis who is Direzione Operations for Ferrari Northern Europe. He originally worked with Maranello Concessionaires and was there in the 1970s when the Dino was a current production model. I asked about the Ferrari badging on UK cars and his response was -

    "Iain, the fitting of Ferrari logos certainly assisted the sale of Dino cars in the UK however it was an option and not all cars were so fitted. If your car has them then the Factory would accept this if the car were presented for Certification as I have supplied them with original images. If not then no problem. Also for your information headlamp covers were part of the extras offered by Maranello Concessionaires at the time."
     
  9. TonyL

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  10. GermanDino

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    Thanks Ian, that`s what I thought too.
    Regards Matthias
     
  11. abstamaria

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    Yes, indeed. Must tread carefully.
     
  12. Dino Club Germany

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    I think this is a interesting document.
    It came with the car from first owner and shows the invoice
    from 1973 from Maranello Concessionaires for a new 246GTS.
    Beside "Fitting the headlight covers" there is also written:
    "supply and fitting two prancing horses".
    Which supports the theory that this was done often from the importeur/dealer.
    Regards
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  13. abstamaria

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    Very interesting, Nicolai. Thank you.
     
  14. UroTrash

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    Interesting to see gasoline was 1/1000 the cost of the car.

    If you extrapolate that to a 458, say at $220,000 and English gasoline at say $6/gal, gasoline has dropped by half compared to back then.
     
  15. dignini

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    I was doing the same calc. with the cost of the bumper bar. Not as relevant but $13.00 was not a lot of money even then!
     
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    #16 swift53, Oct 26, 2010
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    What I really find amazing, is the 20 Pound difference between a 365 GTC and a Daytona.

    Fickle world we line in...

    Regards, Alberto

    PS. 21.85
     
  17. dignini

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    I don't see any mention for the Ferrari script as an option,
     
  18. dignini

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    Clearly cars were delivered with options installed by Ferrari or its agent. Is there a claim for originality for the Dino with a nose bar a script and two horsies. I think if those options were on the first invoice then that establishes the original specification of the car; as first consigned from Ferrari, through its agent, to the first customer.
     
  19. TheMayor

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    Things were so simple then... (sigh).
     
  20. GermanDino

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    The Ferrari script wasn´t even an official option with Maranello Concesionaires...
    despite customers were able to get it.
    What do you think Ferrari would said to importers/dealership puting a Ferrari script on a Dino
    ;-)

    regards Matthias
     
  21. 500tr

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    Nothing at these times...
     
  22. dignini

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    do you mean the times of which we speak or "now" times?
     
  23. dignini

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    #23 dignini, Oct 31, 2010
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    this shot was taken in 1985, mine is the red car, I have no knowledge of the yellow car, except that we parked in the same place and its gorgeous!
    The Ferrari script is there so is the Cavallino and the Dino script of course. Again this standard Maranello issue and allways ,afaik, installed in the same location.
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  24. dignini

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    Not sure about that, again all the UK cars I know and have ever seen, had the Ferrari script,
    mounted over the rear number plate, if it was not an option by Maranello UK, then they must have taken the view that it should be there and installed it. I seems reasonable to assume that Ferrari supplied the script, knew where it was going and had no issue with it.
     
  25. GermanDino

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    the yellow one is #06564
     

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