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"Your Mercedes fell off our truck..."

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  1. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

    Dec 31, 2003
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    I bought my wife a gently used 2003 Mercedes E320 located outside of Baltimore. Hired a shipper (truck) that picked up the car last Wednesday (May 11). It was only supposed to take 3-4 days to get here, so yesterday (May 16) I called to see what was up.

    "Well, the truck carrying your car...the clutch went out on the truck. It is here being repaired, but it won't be ready until probably Wed. or Thurs (May 18 or 19). When it's fixed, we will ship your car up to you from Dallas (360 miles)."

    I thought that story was very strange, but decided what the heck, a few more days wait. Then, at approx. 3pm yesterday, the shipper called and said "We have a problem... We found out that the truck carrying your car..well, the car fell off of the truck and hit a guard rail. It probably has $10 or $12 thousand worth of damage."

    So...now I'm dealing with the insurance company. Question: Do I just try to get them to buy the car? Is there any circumstance that I should accept the car and make the repairs? My first thought is that cars aren't made to be dropped off of trucks, and that there may be a great deal of damage that is unseen (transmission gear teeth, electronics, sensors, etc.)

    Thoughts?
     
  2. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    RUN AWAY!

    Sorry to hear your story!
     
  3. richard_wallace

    richard_wallace Formula 3

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    I would personally try to get out of it if you can.

    Did the Dealer you bought it from arrange the shipping? What I am getting at is if you handled the transport end - you will probably be dealing with the shippers insurance to settle on buying the car - which you may have difficulty.

    I would talk to the insurance co - and tell them that you do not want the car - since it now is not in the condition that you purchased the car (even fixed).

    Good luck and lets us know how it goes...

    Rich
     
  4. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    To follow up... I arranged for the shipping. And I paid the seller, so the baby's mine. I may have a little fight on my hands, but I am guessing the insurance co. will end up writing me a check for the car. The only way I would take it is this:

    1. Payment for full repairs at a facility of my choosing.
    2. $5000 for diminished value (Mercedes that fall off of trucks are generally worth less than those that do not).
    3. An open checkbook from the insurer for all future, unseen repairs that are not covered by the warranty.

    So if you were an insurer, would you agree to all of this, or simply write a check for the car and run it through the local Manheim auction?
     
  5. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Be (or hire) a bulldog.
     
  6. tfazio

    tfazio Formula 3
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    Sorry to hear about your car.

    I doubt the insurer would go through what you are asking. The transportation co'.s insurance should have to deal with this. Is that what you are saying? The transportation co. has to have insurance and their rates should go up not yours. I would definitely pass on the repairs and get your money back if you can.
     
  7. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    What he said.

    Newer Mercedes are spectacularly complicated. I don't even want to guess all the sensor and electrical problems you're going to have down the road, even if it's still crashworthy.

    Your #3 (future repairs) is important. My insurer warrants repairs for the life of the car, if you have it done at an approved repair center. But the diminished value thing is huge -- would YOU buy an E-class with $12,000 of accident repair?

    Sorry about this - I'm a Mercedes fan, too, I think you made a good choice.

    Jon
     
  8. Artherd

    Artherd F1 Veteran

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    RUN!!!

    They're hard enough to keep running WITHOUGHT being smacked by a rail!

    After, they're disposeable.
     
  9. FarmerDave

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    If he had paid for the car free and clear, his insurance carrier will probably make him whole, and then subrogate (remember the word of the day?) against the shipping company, or their insurer (provided there is one.)
     
  10. Ryan S.

    Ryan S. Two Time F1 World Champ
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    ditch it and get an e class CDI.....
     
  11. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    UPDATE:

    I talked with the adjuster, and he said "I don't think it was hurt that bad...we should be able to get you fixed right up."

    I replied: "I don't think you understand...I don't want the car. The damages unseen may well be more than the damages seen. Plus, I'm going to take it in the shorts on my car's value - a MB that has fallen off of a truck generally brings less than a MB that has not."

    He replied: "I'm sorry. Our responsibility to our client (the shipping co.) is to repair the car. If it were a total, that would be another story, but we aren't talking about a total here - it's not that bad."

    I replied: "All the better for you...the car will bring that much more for you at auction. I can be nice about all of this, or I can be ugly, but I can guarantee you, I'm not accepting that car."

    He then said: "Do you have the paperwork showing what you gave for the car?"

    I said "Yes I surely do."

    He said "Fax me the information, and I will see what we can come up with."


    Bottom line: Sounds like they will buy the car. If I honestly thought it could be repaired properly, I wouldnt' sweat it much. But if a car has fallen off a truck, and toasted both the rear AND the front bumpers, some bad things happened along the way. Thoughts?
     
  12. PSk

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    Flick it ... it will be on ebay oneday as one of those suspect cars :eek:

    Pete
     
  13. Noelrp

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    The car is not even in your possession and it has already gave you a headache? I think the worst thing that can happen for you is keeping the car.

    Let it go even if it cost you few hundred $$ (although lets hope not). You will find another good car. There are thousands of Mercs out there.

    Good luck
     
  14. wcelliot

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    I had a similar occurance happen to me (on a much cheaper car) and the shipper's insurance gave me 100% credit for what I paid for it (not the car's actual value which was a bit more) then sold me the damaged cars for almost nothing.

    I ended up selling the damaged car for more than I originally bought it for on Ebay... the buyer paid in full and then never picked up the car.

    I was able to get a mechanics lein on it and obtain a new title...so I sold it again.

    This car was one of my better investments...

    Bill
     
  15. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    UPDATE:

    I think they're stalling me...

    I talked with the adjuster late today, and I had to practically tell him the whole story again.

    He said he had to do an "investigation" as to why the car came off of the truck, yada yada. I then asked how long all of this was going to take before a resolution, and he said "my guess is two weeks." Further, he said "I have to gather all of the relevant information, and then turn it over to the guys in London and see what they want to do."

    I'm thinking "what THEY want to do?" Heck, I'm the one sitting here with no car, and $34K poorer. What should I do next? Is 2 weeks unreasonable?
     
  16. FarmerDave

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    Would you mind PM'ing me the name of the insurance company? And where they are based?
     
  17. SrfCity

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    Wow, what a bummer. Sounds like they're dicking you a bit. You may want to line up a bulldog ASAP ;)

    Is it possible to do an escrow on this kind of thing whereby the transaction is completed once the vehicle is delivered in satisfactory condition?
     
  18. future328driver

    future328driver Formula 3

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    Where is the car? Did you have it insured by your insurance company from the time it was picked up? If so, ask your agent to have a local agent for the company find the car and document the damage as well as have an adjuster from your auto insurer do an estimate. I think it goes wihtou saying that the carrier's insurance company will lowball the damage and then try and repair it as cheap as possible. I have an E55 and you MUST have the car repaired by a Mercedes certified repair shop or you will be screwed on any future claims related to warranty. Consequently, you should have a repair estimate done by Mercedes.

    Also, FarmerDave can speak to this, but I highly doubt that any insurance company will agree to give you a blank check for any future damage you may uncover that needs to be fixed. If you push like hell for that, the insurance company may eventually cave and total the car.

    If all else fails, threaten to file a suit under the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act. And, look at your contract with the auto carrier for choice of law and venue restrictions. DTPA suits sometimes allow for treble damages which ca scare the sh*t out of the carrier and its insurance company, expecially if they try to screw you over.

    Also, the investigation by the insurance carrier as to why the car fell of the truck is not your problem. You should not have to wait for them to do that. At the very least demand that they trasport the car to the closest Mercedes dealership for an estimate of the damage. That way you can get infromation from an unbiased third party about the actual extent of the damage.

    Another possibility is to demand that they continue transport of the car to your location in Amarillo so that you can personally take it to an MB dealership for repairs. Find out when the accident happened. If it happened immediately prior to the call about the truck "breaking down," that would help your DTPA claim becaue they were intentionally lying to you.
     
  19. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    OK, some follow-up:

    1. I am a dealer, so my dealer's insurance would have to cover. Trouble is, my dealer's insurance is liability only, as I normally only carry cheapo cars. Now...this was to be MY WIFE's car, so it WOULD have been covered under my personal auto policy. But no way my insurance co. is going to buy that one on a bet.

    2. The shipper never told me "when" the accident occurred. HOWEVER...on Monday a.m. I called them asking where the heck the car was, since I should have had it by now, and they said "well...unlucky truck. Truck lost a clutch, and is in repair. In a few days, it will be repaired and we will bring your car to you."

    I thought that story was VERY strange. It was about 6 hours later that they called and told me about the car falling off of the truck.

    So...I'm guessing they were stalling for time with the "truck clutch" bit, fishing around to see if they could have someone "quick fix" the car and deliver it to me. Who knows.
     
  20. FarmerDave

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    Something doesn't sit right with their stories. (The "London" comment especially.) At least PM me the name of the insurance company and where they're based... I'll do a couple quick searches to see if they're even for real.
     
  21. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    UPDATE: DAMAGE ASSESSMENT

    The trucking company took the car to a body shop in Dallas. The VISIBILE damage is as follows:

    1. Front bumper cover - replace
    2. Radiator and brackets - replace
    3. Front right fender - repair/refinish
    4. Front left fender - repair/refinish
    5. Rear right quarter panel - replace/refinish
    6. Rear bumper cover - replace
    7. Rocker panel trim - replace

    The only areas not needing paint are the decklid and the roof, as well as one door.
     
  22. FarmerDave

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    Hey hNt...

    Everything checks out with the insurance broker and their claims service company.

    I was really curious about when they told you they had to "call the guys in London" because it sounded ludicrous that the ultimate decision maker is overseas.

    But since the name of the brokerage contains the word "London" in it, I guess that the claims service contractor (adjuster) actually meant they'd have to "call the guys at London." That makes alot more sense.

    Keep us updated. :D
     
  23. 134282

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    Did you actually use the words "take it in the shorts"...? That's awesome...

    Sorry about the car; i hope they get their **** straight and cut you a check... If not, go break some skulls - figuratively, of course... :)
     
  24. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    5/23 UPDATE:

    Entire car will have to be re-painted, save the top and left rear quarter panel. Adjuster's figure is $8500-ish.

    Insurer says they won't buy the car, nor pay "diminished value", as their policy with the insured says they will repair the car only. Said I will have to take everything else up with the insured.

    Called insured (owner of transport co.) and she said "there ain't no way I'm pay'n. That's what I got insurance for. I'm gonna have't get dem insurance guys on da phone and see what day say. Why can't you just sell it on ur lot to another customer?"

    I responded "I can, but late model Mercedes that are dropped off of trucks and repainted are generally worth substantially less than Mercedes that are not. I need you to make me whole on the difference."

    Meanwhile, the car is at some "cousin eddie" body shop in Dallas, and the owner of the shop called me and said "I'm ready to git started!" I said "don't touch the car."

    Now I'm trying to get permission from somebody to transport the car to Park Place Mercedes so that they can evaluate the damage.
     
  25. Etcetera

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    Time to have your lawyer take care of this mess.

    Good luck.
     

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