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F430 vs Z06

Discussion in '360/430' started by ffv, Aug 29, 2005.

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  1. ffv

    ffv Rookie

    Jan 23, 2005
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    This should be an interesting performance battle. The new Z came in at 3.5 (MT) and 3.6 (C&D) to 60 and 11.5/127 (MT) and 11.7/125 (C&D). Before someone jumps in and says 'so what, can it go around a track', it posted an incredible 7:42.9 around the Ring. GM has stepped up as big as 360 vs 430 with this new generation.

    With money as no object, I would take the 430 and never look back. Forgetting about brand preference and the like, how do you think these two will match up around a track? How do you think the F430 would do vs. Z06 vs. GT vs. Viper vs. Gallardo vs. 997 Turbo?

    Interesting times we live in when so many production cars are in the '80's/90's supercar performance envelope.

    Flavio
     
  2. gougoul

    gougoul Formula 3

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    Guess as usual, the 997 TT will eat them all up.

    Without even trying.

    Porsches have always been good around tracks, and the TT has always been very quick, both in acceleration and in top speed.
     
  3. watt

    watt Formula 3

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    do you mean 997 GT2?

    pretty unlikely a 997 TT will do 7.43, altho' the z06 may goad Porsche into better cars. nor will a 430. the CS did 7,56, so maybe a 430 does 7.52. the 996 TT did 7.56 also. to gain 14 secs to 7.42 would be unusual.

    the z06 blindsides the entire performance market with gt2 performance for 1/3 the price. i am looking forward to mine in oct! the 7.43 may push porsche to actually hotrod the new 997 GT2 more than they would otherwise do to justify its price vs z06.... maybe we'll get a 7.39-7.32 car there; and i'm looking forward to mine arriving..?2007????
     
  4. deeroff

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    I keep hearing that the Z06 was actually the "Blue Devil" supercharged 'Vette at the 'Ring.

    Apparently folks there heard the distinctive whining of a supercharger on it.

    Not that this has been verified (and in fact it has been hotly disputed on many "vette boards).
     
  5. watt

    watt Formula 3

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    stock car with street tyres confirmed by the factory at 7.43
     
  6. Doody

    Doody F1 Veteran

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    wattster - can you share a link or the like? i too thought i saw a factory comfirmation, but can't find it now. this debate is still raging actively all over the 'net - i'd like to see the factory confirmation so we can all just call it a day :)

    doody.
     
  7. watt

    watt Formula 3

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    just printed in motor trend last month... i'lll look... the issue is resolved on the z06 site i use.
     
  8. BobR

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    There's a lot of speculation about the as yet undelivered Z06. Perhaps it lapped the 'Ring faster than a speeding bullet. Does this matter? The lap time around the North loop only tells us a little about a car. It's part of the driving experience for sure but only a part. For example, a race car can lap the ring really fast. Would you want to drive one on the street? Probably not. Then there's build quality ....; I've driven out of the box Vipers which are astonishingly fast on a race track. Good bang for the performance buck in fact. On the other hand I could not live with the car on a daily basis. Watt, I'll be interested to hear your impressions of the new Vette. Given your experience in the multiple Gt2's, and 3's plus a CS, you'll have a great perspective. Meantime I am enjoying my 430 F1, a very nice all around package of comfort and performance. I'd be happy drving it long distances - something I would not say aboout my GT3 - unless there was a track day waiting at the end of the trip.

    Best,
     
  9. Jack(LA)

    Jack(LA) Formula Junior

    Nov 16, 2003
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    I agree with Bob across the board on this one.

    I think the Z06 will be an awesome track car, but I wouldn't want to "have to" drive it on a daily basis. In fact, strange as this may sound, I'm betting that the CS is a significantly more capable daily driver than the Z06, given Watt's requirements/daily drive. My prediction -- the Z06 will not handle the bumps as well and feel rather bloated by comparison to the CS. ;) Of course, it is a great performance bargain, but a man like Watt doesn't need "no stink'N bargains".

    I'm sure Watt will share his thoughts with us at the appropriate time.......P&D, P&D, P&D....:D
     
  10. viper

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    I would take my Twin Turbo over any of these cars as a daily driver. Remember the GT3 is a rear wheel drive, race car. The Twin Turbo is a refined all wheel drive car and you cannot compare the two.



     
  11. F2003-GA

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    I can already see it now. ZO6 owner's rolling down their window's and offering to race. Then getting offensive when they get turned down.My standard line is "get one of these, then I'll race you".
     
  12. ferrari4evr1

    ferrari4evr1 Formula 3

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    The new Z06 is suppose to be quite the contender. Porsche has always been known for their handling abilities around a track and the new F430 is no slouch either. Cant go wrong by buying any of the cars listed........
     
  13. dave_fonz_164

    dave_fonz_164 Formula 3

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    just bought the new car and driver and their only dislike was a disconnected chassis feel, but otherwise amazing performance.

    it should be faster than a 430 or gallardo, weighing a couple pds less and having alot more torque. this time the corvette has really impressed me, all this for so little money. well see what the new 430cs will have to offer
     
  14. lawwdog

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    Chevy is still Chevy...even with an employee discount I wouldn't buy one.

    No SOUL.....
     
  15. 348 Turbo

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    Ah yes, the 'ol "but it's not a FERRARI" argument. It'll never end..........

    lol
     
  16. F2003-GA

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    I don't think that any body would seriously think about replacing their Ferrari
    for a ZO6 but it would make a great second car.
     
  17. Jack(LA)

    Jack(LA) Formula Junior

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    #17 Jack(LA), Aug 29, 2005
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    That doesn't sound inspiring -- disconnected chassis FEEL???

    FWIW, what I've liked so much about the 360 (and now the 430) when comparing it to my recent Porsche car experiences (GT2/3) was how much more connected I felt to the F-car. The razor sharp steering -- the go-cart feel -- being one with the car. :) That's why all the car mags have always picked the 360/430 over the competition, even when their "numbers" were not as good as the competition-- it's all about the FEEL. The only other car that I've owned that shares those attributes happens to be the Lotus Elise. Frankly, if I were looking for a relatively inexpensive car to track, I'd much rather have the Lotus than the Corvette.

    The Z06 is a great performance bargain, but I don't think the typical F-car buyer will be cross shopping for the Z06. I could be wrong. ;)
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  18. Ferrari330P4

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    My feeling exactly
     
  19. dave_fonz_164

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    Indeed, having a disconnected chassis feel is a big underachievement for such a potent machine, but i guess its one of the hardest things to achieve and why ferrari's, and bmw's to a lesser degree, are so highly regarded.

    either way, you definately gotta respect the vette for what its capable of, especially given the price.
     
  20. Jack(LA)

    Jack(LA) Formula Junior

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    Not that it matters, but I agree with you.
     
  21. MS250

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    My close personal freind has a 2003 z06 with 20k on the clock. It is a great performance car. Its faster than my 86TR. If it was around when I bought my car in 99 I would have given it a look for sure. But we are not comparing very equally. I know the Vette is the best bang for the buck, but it does not give you the driving experience as an Fcar. I would agree with many on the board, I would buy one as a second car to thrash not replace why. Because its cheap and you can beat it.
    Well done to GM and Chevy, its about time they turned that car around abit.
    Now if only they can make some parts on the inside not look like the Caviler or the Cobalt we'd have a winner.
     
  22. 575M-F1

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    My bet is the Ferrari would win this challenge. Also the Z06 is no cmparision to a Ferrari.
     
  23. ffv

    ffv Rookie

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    This is a performance question and I think very much the Z06 will run with the big dogs. Whether it is a car of Ferrari quality is even silly to ask.
     
  24. scud

    scud F1 World Champ

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    i love my GT2 and 3 but they lack sole and passion that my CS makes up for
     
  25. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    no soul...well at least enough to totally dominate gts! some pretty decent le mans finishes too. not bad for a car w/ no soul.
     

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