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  1. Donie

    Donie Formula Junior

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    #1 Donie, Oct 1, 2006
    The ambient temperature is falling here, and travelling home tonight in the dark with the top down, I noticed I wasn't getting much heat from the heater, without the A/C atually switched on.

    Plenty of heat through the aircon but once I push the 'Stop' button to kill the A/C compressor the heat would fall right off.

    This can't be normal. All input appreciated.
     
  2. nt6d

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    #2 nt6d, Oct 1, 2006
    That is very normal. You need to have the AC on to get the heater going. Despite what the manual says....
     
  3. GCalo

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    #3 GCalo, Oct 1, 2006
    Actually you have to have the A/C button "out" to get the heat or A/C.

    I do not believe the A/C compressor is functioning when the heat is on, but that's only speculation on my part.

    I don't feel the resistance of the compressor once the heat starts, but I could be wrong.

    It's a bit strange how this works!
     
  4. APA#1

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    #4 APA#1, Oct 1, 2006
    360's have heaters?
     
  5. APA#1

    APA#1 Formula 3

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    #5 APA#1, Oct 1, 2006
    Whats the thingy above the ac controls? Has lots of buttons and knobs, says becker or something on it
     
  6. GCalo

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    #6 GCalo, Oct 1, 2006
    Not for you Florida guys!
     
  7. Skidkid

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    #7 Skidkid, Oct 1, 2006
    If you think of it as a climate control instead of a heater and AC it makes perfect sense. You are turning on the climate control and it selects heat or cool depending on the termperature in the car.
     
  8. GCalo

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    #8 GCalo, Oct 1, 2006
    John,

    Did you get that license plate on yet?
     
  9. Skidkid

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    #9 Skidkid, Oct 1, 2006
    Not this weekend. I was finishing out the quarter then my annaversary this weekend. I will get it on this week. I have a few other tasks to do too. Minor issues to get everything sorted out the way I want.
     
  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #10 Rifledriver, Oct 1, 2006
    Bingo.

    Since the intro of the TR Ferrari has not had heaters and A/C systems. They are climate control systems. It is integrated so that you choose the desired temp and the system will run heat or A/C as required to maintain the desired temp.
     
  11. RayJohns

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    #11 RayJohns, Oct 2, 2006
    Correct, the "stop" button also kills the heater. That threw me the first time also on the 360. I don't believe the 355 was like that. I am pretty sure I used to keep my 355 in off, but still was able to get heat.

    Ray
     
  12. Donie

    Donie Formula Junior

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    #12 Donie, Oct 2, 2006
    Thanks guys, for the input.

    I get it now.

    The car obviously doesn't have a heater water matrix, only the A/C condensor, which means that the compressor has to be running to get heat.

    They saved a bit on the extra radiator and pipework.

    Strange that I never noticed this before, and this is my second 360.

    That's a peculiar setup. I wonder how many other high end cars follow that plan.

    The Porsche certainly doesn't. Full heat available with the A/C off.
     
  13. Donie

    Donie Formula Junior

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    #13 Donie, Oct 2, 2006
    No ! I got it all wrong.

    It does have a hot water system up front, between the condensor and a heater evaporator, and it's own electrical pump,..............

    that's why the A/C has to be on.......to get heat..............it's as clear as mud, isn't it?

    Anyone throw any light on this?
     
  14. Donie

    Donie Formula Junior

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    #14 Donie, Oct 2, 2006
    In the owner's manual, and workshop manual, it describes the Push/Stop button for the A/C thus:-

    “ Pressed (Stop)
    The air conditioning is turned off.
    The heating is still enabled though, and will function according to the temperature set .“

    Can anyone get heat with the A/C compressor off?

    Is this one more incident where the books are crazy !
     
  15. GCalo

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    #15 GCalo, Oct 2, 2006
    Yes, it's one more incident where the manual gives incorrect info.

    In the summer I pressed the stop button to just bring in air through the free flow vent system.

    For either the heat or A/C that button has to be out, and as Rifledriver says the system then determines the requirement of heat or A/C.
     

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