What will Ferrari say about this?????

These pictures made my heart sink. It also made me increase the coverage on my insurance

Sad

Lee

 

hope nobody got hurt.

 

Hopefully no one was seriously hurt from this fire. Sad to see such a gorgeous 430 burnt to a crisp.
I/we have all mentioned countless times here before.........it really makes you wonder how this can happen with a realitively new car/Ferrari. You rarely see any other 'normal' cars burning on the side of the road. Always seems to be a Ferrari or Lambo. It is not like all the fuel hoses are old, cracked, hard, perished ect.....especially on the newer cars. This happens all too often IMO and I really am starting to wonder if the Ferrari Factory are ever interested looking into these fires that occur all to often? Are they waiting for someone to burn alive before they take action?? I would like to think not.

 

That is good to hear no one was hurt.
Welcome to Ferrarichat btw.

 

what do you expect on ferrari sites? burning toyotas? i hate when people make posts like yours. no facts at all. here is a fact- i have never personally seen a ferrari burning on the road. although i have seen about 20 OTHER marques burning by the side of the road in my life. unless someone has some stats to back them up. ferraris burning all too often? exactly what is too often? 1,2,5? worldwide? can we stop the bs posts about ferraris burning?

 

they won't say anything.

 

Very sad to see but good to know that the driver is OK.
In this case you can recognize that it was a 430 but I've seen one where only one wheel was left to recognize the car
As I understand it is a problem of the very high temperatures in the engine bay. You don't have that with normal street cars and that's why they don't burn so often.

Martin

 

There were alot of Fords burning up in garges for awhile. I think they were Explorers.

Lee

 

Wetpet
Chill out dude. There is an issue that Ferrari need to address. For cars that are produced in small numbers, there is a disproportionate number detroyed in engine fires. 355's are especially bad, but its not just the older models. 430s and 599s as well. Its a real problem. I've spoken to my mechanic and I cant remember the exact cause, but he said there is a definate problem.

 

It's the proximity of the hot cats to the engines. This can be fixed using titanium as an insulator for example or with other meathods. MB does this and they go to great extent to ensure that the cats don't cause fires. P-cars have the cats off to the sides so it's not a problem there.

 

I concur. Newer Ferraris seem to be more likely to burn than other newer cars. (I posted a few weeks back about a 355 Spider that caught fire, and the owner was hospitalized in the burn unit here in San Diego).

+1. The guy posted photos of a brand new Ferrari that burst into flames, so there's a fact. And the F355s definitely have a weak spot - clamps on the fuel line behind the cockpit were a bad design.

Let's get past denial and figure it out. As much as I like the way F355 Spiders look, I wouldn't drive one based on what I know. If the F430 has a flaw, let's figure it out. Crashes are bad, but burns are horrible.

 

+2

valuable info

Lee

 

as usual, no facts. please define disproportional and give stats to back it up. otherwise, finish your posts with "i'm just talkin ____"

 

you concur? based on what. again, give me some stats. not just I saw 5 pictures of burnt ferraris on a ferrari site. you know what? i don't concur because i haven't seen one picture of a burned ferrari on the bmw site. same logic.

newer ferraris seem more likely to burn? based on what? the few pics that are posted on this site? come on guys, your gonna have to do a little research and back up with some stats if you want people to take your opinions seriously.

 

i chilled out the first 100 times this bs came up. it's getting old now. plus ferrari lost today and i'm pissed.

 

yeah, this thread is chock full of valuable info.

 

here is only one model, the Mondial. there are more factory recall and warning reports than this for the Mondials through the 1980s, but this is a good start:

Make : FERRARI Model : MONDIAL Year : 1989
Build Dates : 19890701 - 19901201
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 92V071000
Date Owner's Notified: 19920629 Date Received by ODI: 19920518 Date Added to Databse: 19920529
Manufacturer's Involved: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA INC
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 812
Summary:
THE ALUMINUM FUEL LINE FITTINGS ON CERTAIN FUEL INJECTION LINES CORRODE, CAUSING THE FUEL LINE FITTINGS TO BREAK.
Consequence:
THE BREAKAGE OF THE FUEL LINE FITTING CAUSES FUEL LEAKAGE, RESULTING IN INCREASED RISK OF FIRE IN THE PRESENCE OF A SOURCE OF IGNITION.
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Make : FERRARI Model : MONDIAL Year : 1990
Build Dates : 19890701 - 19901201
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 92V071000
Date Owner's Notified: 19920629 Date Received by ODI: 19920518 Date Added to Databse: 19920529
Manufacturer's Involved: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA INC
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 812
Summary:
THE ALUMINUM FUEL LINE FITTINGS ON CERTAIN FUEL INJECTION LINES CORRODE, CAUSING THE FUEL LINE FITTINGS TO BREAK.
Consequence:
THE BREAKAGE OF THE FUEL LINE FITTING CAUSES FUEL LEAKAGE, RESULTING IN INCREASED RISK OF FIRE IN THE PRESENCE OF A SOURCE OF IGNITION.
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Make : FERRARI Model : MONDIAL Year : 1986
Build Dates : 19850901 - 19860401
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 86V161000
Date Owner's Notified: 19870115 Date Received by ODI: 19861211 Date Added to Databse: 19861217
Manufacturer's Involved: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA INC
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:HOSE
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 550
Summary:
THE FLEXIBLE OIL HOSES FOR THE ENGINE OIL RADIATOR COULD LEAK ENGINE OIL DUE TO INSUFFICIENT CLAMPING OF THE METAL CONNECTORS TO FLEXIBLE PORTION OF OIL HOSE.

CONSEQUENCE OF DEFECT: LACK OF LUBRICATION COULD CAUSE SEVERE ENGINE DAMAGE; OIL LEAKAGE COULD RESULT IN AN ENGINE FIRE.
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Make : FERRARI Model : MONDIAL Year : 1983
Build Dates : 19830701 - 19840901
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 85V003000
Date Owner's Notified: 19850212 Date Received by ODI: 19851209 Date Added to Databse: 19850118
Manufacturer's Involved: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA INC
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 181
Summary:
THERE MAY BE INTERFERENCE BETWEEN THE FUEL TANK AND SURROUNDING PANELS CAUSING ABRASION OF THE FUEL TANK SURFACE.

CONSEQUENCES OF DEFECT: ABRASION COULD AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE FUEL TANK AND RESULT IN FUEL LEAKAGE AND A FIRE HAZARD.
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the 328:

Make : FERRARI Model : 328 Year : 1986
Build Dates : 19850901 - 19860901
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 86V162000
Date Owner's Notified: 19870115 Date Received by ODI: 19861211 Date Added to Databse: 19861218
Manufacturer's Involved: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA INC
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINEELIVERY:HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 588
Summary:
FLEXIBLE RUBBER HOSE FOR RETURN OF FUEL TO RIGHT SIDE FUEL TANK MAY CHAFE IF POSITIONED TOO CLOSE TO METALLIC DISCHARGE CONNECTOR OF AIR CONDITIONER COMPRESSOR.

CONSEQUENCE OF DEFECT: FUEL LEAKAGE COULD OCCUR CREATING A FIRE POTENTIAL.

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Make : FERRARI Model : 328 Year : 1986
Build Dates : 19850901 - 19860401
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 86V161000
Date Owner's Notified: 19870115 Date Received by ODI: 19861211 Date Added to Databse: 19861217
Manufacturer's Involved: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA INC
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:HOSE
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 550
Summary:
THE FLEXIBLE OIL HOSES FOR THE ENGINE OIL RADIATOR COULD LEAK ENGINE OIL DUE TO INSUFFICIENT CLAMPING OF THE METAL CONNECTORS TO FLEXIBLE PORTION OF OIL HOSE.

CONSEQUENCE OF DEFECT: LACK OF LUBRICATION COULD CAUSE SEVERE ENGINE DAMAGE; OIL LEAKAGE COULD RESULT IN AN ENGINE FIRE.
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the 456:

1997 FERRARI 456GTA Recall ID from NHTSA: 99V167000
Auto Recall Date: 19990630
Vehicle Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINEELIVERY
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 268
1997 FERRARI 456GTA Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. THE FUEL SUPPLY AND RETURN LINES CAN LEAK IF THE ALUMINUM BARREL NUT ATTACHING THE LINES IS TIGHTENED IN EXCESS OF THE REQUIRED TORQUE.
Defect Consequence:
THIS CONDITION COULD RESULT IN FUEL LEAKAGE. FUEL LEAKAGE IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE COULD RESULT IN A FIRE.

 

Lol.

Sorry 'pet, I haven't done a study. However, mid-engined cars by design are more likely to have fire issues, and most of what Ferrari has sold from the Boxer/246 era on are mid-engined cars. There are more fuel lines/connections near the engine in these cars than front-engined cars where the tank is in the back.

If you want the basis for my own statement, it comes from always walking around back at repair shops. I had a BMW 3 series, for example, and had it in the BMW shop more often than I would have liked, yet I've never seen one of those burn -- and that is a more common car than the F355. Yet I've personally inspected two burned F355s. 308 engine bay fires are more common, but given the age of the cars it's hard to pin it on bad design.

If it makes you feel better, '75-onward MGBs (with the cat under carbs - brilliant!) are also notorious for fires, likely more so than Ferraris. I worked for an auto parts distributor in jr high/high school, and one of our customers was a British restoration shop. Burned engine bays were quite common in the 'Bs.

 

Take a look at the muffler. If I'm not mistaken, that's the tubi GTC muffler. That's the muffler that caused FNA to stop installing tubi's on cars still under warranty, again, if I remember correctly. I know of another 430 that went flambe' and was traced back to a broken muffler catching engine bay plastics on fire.

Of course, I could just be incredibly drunk and randomly slapping at keys.

Dave

 

A good reason to install a fire extinguisher. I never needed to use it for my own car, but always had one on board. I did use it once to save someone else's bacon though.

 

Not really. If you search in most cases it's been recommended to let the car just burn. Not unless you like a burnt toast smell every time you turn on the heat/AC that you can't get rid of. Of course for a fire that's just starting it might make sense to try to put it out.

 

I admit that wanting to put out a fire may seem counter-intuitive to some. When an exotic car burns these days, two seem to rise from the ashes, Phoenix-like, bearing the same serial number.

 

1997 FERRARI 456GTA Recall ID from NHTSA: 99V168000
Auto Recall Date: 19990630
Vehicle Component: VISIBILITYEFROSTER/DEFOGGER SYSTEM:WINDSHIELD:HEATER CORE
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 248
1997 FERRARI 456GTA Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. THE HEATER HOSES ARE EXPOSED TO THE DRIVER SIDE FOOTWELL.
Defect Consequence:
SHOULD A LEAK OCCUR, THE DRIVER'S FOOT COULD GET SCALDED.
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Car:
2006 Ferrari 599 GTB

Description:
This brand new 599 GTB was being driven at around 130 mph on the German autobahn when the engine caught fire. The car was a total loss.

Location:
Germany
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