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Pulling ECU Code - final step - 348TB

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  1. mjbcswitzerland

    mjbcswitzerland Karting

    Jan 8, 2008
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    Hi All

    I have worked through the winter to get to the final step of pulling ECU code - I would like to ask whether someone can give a little hand to get this done?

    Since I have a European 348TB there were no ECL lights and I don't have a switch.
    During the winter I decided to get things prepared to sort out the (hopefully) last problems and this is what I did:
    - installed new exhaust ECUs
    - did the Gold Contact Kit replacement work including new contact blocks at the main ECUs
    - put in ECU lights in the dash-board

    After many hours work (as well as some reconditioning of the center console due to the sticky-problem and plutting in some LEDs instead of bulbs) I finally started the car again and took her out for a half-hour drive.

    - before the work the car was virtually undriveable (cyclinder row cutting out at above 3'000 rpm quite regularly) and idled very poorly.
    - today the idle was very clean while I let the ECUs re-learn
    - during the half hour drive I carefully checked the cars handling, breaking and performance under different conditions (remembering I hadn't driven for over 6 months...).
    - After 10..15 minutes I became more confident and found that the acceleration was good and idling after hard breaking also good (before it would tend to want to cut-out and had to be 'caught' by 'blipping' the throttle).
    - Therefore the intemediate results were very promising.
    - After about 20 minutes the "Check Engine 1/4" light went on. It would intemittently go out again but spend most of the rest of the time on. Sometime the idle fell a bit low at crossings (down to 750..800 rpm for a short time before picking up to 1'000rpm)
    - Therefore, although things are generally much better, the ECU in the one side is obviously detecting something that is not quite right.


    This means that I probably have a couple of CEL codes to be pulled. I found a good description of how to do it and how to read the results: http://www.my348.com/

    Still I am missing the switch and saw that presently they are not stocked at the suppliers, although I thought that I might order them anyway. But, during the ECU connector work I took a good look at the cables and also studied the electrical diagrams (I needed to because I actually had a short circuit when rewiring...!) and the switch contact has three pins. The middle pin is ground. This means that, to pull the codes, one has to probably connect one of the other pins to ground.

    Is there anyone who has this cable/switch and can measure which contacts are shorted together when the switch is pressed? This would allow me to finally pull the codes!!!


    I am also wondering about the way that the Motronic 2.7 works with the connector. I understand that it can be connected to a tester which will display the state of various measuremenst etc. Does anyone have any information about how this works? I suspect that it is a serial interface and so maybe it wouldn't be that difficult to connect it to a processor that reads the infomation (and the codes) and displays them in a useful manner.

    I saw someone doing this with a 'standard' Japanese car and could connect a small adapter to the plug and display the details on an iPhone over a BlueTooth connection - it required a small App to be loaded to the iPhone. If I could work out how to communicate I would even like to have a go at getting something running in this fashion (the electronics part is what I can do if I can get a little information about how the communication actually operates - any one who already has some knowledge???).

    Regards

    Mark
     
  2. Yassa

    Yassa Formula 3
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    Excellent question, I need the same switch for my 2.7 355 (which no one carries) so I need to jump the wires. Lets hope someone out there can help us lol
     
  3. mjbcswitzerland

    mjbcswitzerland Karting

    Jan 8, 2008
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    #3 mjbcswitzerland, May 8, 2012
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    Hi

    I managed to work it out by carefully testing the wires to see whether they were inputs or outputs (connected them to the middle - ground- pin through a resistor of 1.3k and measured the voltage drop). They proved both to be inputs and while measuring one of them this already triggered the diagnostic mode.

    The input which I used is the one with grey/red wire - for clarity (possibly they don't all have the same coloring) I took a photo. The two inputs to connected together are shown by the resistor - I actually used this resistor as a switch because it doesn't need a very low impedence to switch the input

    And I could pull the codes - the values made sense - and could also reset them.

    I'll look around to see whether there are any discussions of the (intermittent) O2 sensor error that I read or else may start another thread about it.

    Regards

    Mark
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  4. Yassa

    Yassa Formula 3
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    Good job. Thanks :)
     
  5. jm348ts

    jm348ts Karting

    Oct 22, 2009
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    Yassa,
    copied below is an email from Miltonian explaining how to make a test wire. I did this and was able to pull the codes and repair the problems. Mine codes were solved by replacing the O2 sensors and cleaning and resetting the MAF's. How to pull the codes and finding what they mean is easily found here and on http://www.my348.com/348.html#Starting.
    PM me and I will send you the original email with the pics. Thanks again to Miltonian!

    Hope this is what you need and Good Luck!

    I just finished putting together one of the test harnesses, and taking
    some digital pix. To make this, I bought two push buttons at the local
    Radio Shack (less than $2.00 each), and some quick-disconnect terminals
    (less than $3.00 for way more than needed). I had the wire and the
    shrink wrap already. No other parts needed.

    On the Motronic control unit, you should have a harness with three wires
    ("checklight-1"), and nothing plugged into it (if your test lead is
    indeed missing). This harness has three wires going into three female
    pins, but only two of the wires are used, the grey one with the red
    stripe, and the black one. The original test lead ("checklight-2"), has
    only the two corresponding wires. The function of the button is to make
    a momentary electrical connection between these two wires. The parts
    needed to make a new test lead are shown in "checklight-3". I was going
    to solder the wires on, but I'm no good at it, so there are actually 4
    terminals, not just two as shown - two males, to plug into the harness on
    the Motronic, and two females, to plug onto the pushbutton.
    "checklight-4" shows the original test lead next to the newly made test
    lead. The length isn't important, it can be 6 inches long or 6 feet
    long.

    "checklight-5" shows the new test lead plugged into the original Motronic
    harness. The male pins on the new test lead are plugged into the female
    pins on the original harness. I had to grind down the male pins slightly
    to make them fit properly. Don't worry about the third wire, just make
    sure you're plugging the new test lead into the grey/red wire and the
    black wire.

    On the pushbutton, you don't want to use a "click-on, click-off" style,
    you want a "momentary", so that the connection only lasts as long as you
    are holding down the button.

    I need to review the instructions in the workshop manual and actually put
    this to the test on my own 348, before I can give it the 100% OK, but
    it's perfectly straighforward. You could do the same thing with a bent
    paperclip.

    The original test wire is only attached when you are using it, otherwise
    the harness is left unplugged. The same would be true on the new test
    wire. No need to leave it plugged in, just keep it in your tool box, or
    tuck it behind the carpet under the Motronic cover panel.
     
  6. jm348ts

    jm348ts Karting

    Oct 22, 2009
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    Yassa,
    More than likely the codes will indicate bad O2 sensors. The best price for replacement "plug and play" O2 sensors were from USautoparts. Bosch #BS13120 fit perfectly with no splicing or alteration. They were $90 each. I think original Ferrari is around $350.
    John
     
  7. Yassa

    Yassa Formula 3
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    nice...Thanks
     
  8. go_faster

    go_faster Rookie

    Jul 26, 2011
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    I have been looking for posts to deal with pulling codes when a button is not available. The post here referring to simply jumping the grey/red and black appears to be the best I've found but I am somewhat nervous in that it ends with a caveat that the writer had not yet tried it to confirm 100%.

    Can anyone confirm that simply jumping the two wires will work and will not damage anything? Further, is a resister required and if so what do I need to ask for at the local radio shack? I am fairly mechanically inclined but have only basic knowledge of electrical components at that micro of a level. (transistor/resister/diode etc.)

    Any advice would be appreciated. I have a CEL 5-8 rough idle and it revs on it's own at idle, likely to keep from stalling. If I can't get confirmation on making a test wire I will start swapping sensors from side to side.
     

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