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  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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  2. Ecnal

    Ecnal Karting

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    At the bottom of the page, he mentions a court case involving injury to his passenger. It would be interesting to know whether the court proceeding was a criminal one, or a civil one brought by the injured guy or gal. I wonder what the passenger thinks of the whole deal.
     
  3. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    It's interesting that he won, that the court didn't rule out that the mfg. was at fault.

    Catastrophic failure does occur sometimes due to poor maintenance but sometimes due to poor design. I don't think this is over.
     
  4. roytoy2003

    roytoy2003 F1 Veteran

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    RIGHT off the bat..........there are AFTER MARKET wheels on this car......

    Size ect........does play a MAJOR role in the performance of these cars........I Just can not understand why guys F**k with the after market wheels and tires on these AWD cars!!!!!
     
  5. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    That is a very good point. If not sized EXACTLY could easily cause catastrophic failure.
     
  6. cshargh

    cshargh Karting

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    He also apparently didn't do a PPI, otherwise, to quote his own words, nor did he do his research, had he done those he probably should not have bought the car to begin with:

    1) "the screws that held the carbon-engine-cover RUSTED."
    2) "The jerky gas behaviour of the vehicle would have had to be noticed even by a blind mechanic." If it had this problem, when he bought the car, then he should have noticed it, and had the car checked out, or not bought the car. Why is he driving this car knowing this problem?
    3) All of a sudden now his "friends" are telling him about problems that they have with their Murci's, one with the "tail wing" and the other with 2 of the 12 cylinders failing, and his other "friend" with the Gallardo having issues. Where were these "friends" to tell him about problems before he bought the car?

    I feel bad for the guy, and thank god that he and his passenger are seemingly ok. But it looks like this guy is looking for a bit of American style lawsuit justice in Germany. If there was anything wrong with this car, a PPI would have surely brought it to light. Yet another reason to do a PPI, I think there have been others on this site that have learned that lesson through different experiences. He's lucky to be alive, but I don't think this is a Lamborghini responsibility based on the guy's story.

    Cyrus
     
  7. rush109

    rush109 F1 Veteran

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    truth....dont knopw why people put after market rims on, the stock ones are more then exotic enough on there own and are damn nice looking and safer i assume...
     
  8. J.P.Sarti

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    I can't see how the wheels would cause that accident unless it fell apart or caused a major failure of the front diff locking it up.

    Looks to me the traction control was activated and on one of the wheels it braked too much and locked up the wheel or the caliper disintegrated causing the car to swerve or spin 90' as he said off the road.

    Looking at the car I am suprised anyone lived through the accident.
     
  9. Ciao Bello 348

    Ciao Bello 348 Formula 3

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    There are so many things I would love to comment on. I dont see how the Manufacturer could be held liable in a US court of law---Reasonable doubt.


    He bought the car used. Car has aftermarket parts including the rims. He admits the car did have maintainance done to it in its life prior to his ownership. Who did it?? Not the factory. Maybe a dealership or an independent, OR a do it yourself owner. Im sure the speed 220-240km/h he admits to didnt cause the accident--But it made it a hell of a lot worse then it would have been at 70km/h.

    For all we know the prior owner changed the brake pads incorrectly.

    There are 3 sides to every story. Not to say he is lying, but after a traumatic experience like that, im sure the minute details prior to the crash were forgotten. They could have some insight into the result. He says, "How a technician couldnt feel the gas studdering.." or something to that effect. How come >> HE << couldnt feel it? And if he did, why the **** would you go 220+km/h??

    I doubt the car did a complete 90 degree turn in an instant. Im sure at that velocity, even a Lambo would have to roll or "bounce".

    Remember, EVERY ACTION HAS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE RE-ACTION!

    Cant see how Lamborghini the vehicle Manufacturer could be responsible for that.


    Oh Yeah.. (edit) How come he didnt take a load of pictures of the skid marks? I know for sure they tell some kind of story!
     
  10. matteo

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    AWD cars are weird about rims and tires.
     
  11. bentasm1

    bentasm1 Formula Junior

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    That whole story of his stinks as well as the circumstances he claims surrounded it. I sincerely doubt Lamborghini is at any fault.

    -Ben
     
  12. asianbond

    asianbond Formula 3

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    Sounds like another instance of a person not taking full responsibilty for their own actions.

    He needs to describe what happen
    -the moment before the car turned right
    -was there a tire blowout
    -was there an explosion in front suspension
    -how did he react when the steering wheel had tug right
    -was he racing with his buddies
    -what did the other witness see


    Can only suspect a suspension failure or tire blowout would cause the car to veer right in that manner. Did the aftermarket rims put extra load on the suspension?

    At 220-240kmh, basically 140-150mph, small driver input can cause the vehicle to veer right real quickly, and at that speed the car would not turn 90 degree, it would roll barrel many times over.
     
  13. tfazio

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    It would be possible that the aftermarket rims were put on incorrectly or the bolts were not tightened enough after installation. I really bet the aftermarket wheels had something to do with this crash. Maybe not the actual wheels themself - but it was most likely an install or spec problem from the beginning. I am not a fan of aftermarket wheels in general. I am sure there are plenty of safe aftermarket choices for the Murci too though.
     
  14. Miura Jota

    Miura Jota F1 Rookie

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    the same thing could happen if he was driving a BMW

    I hate it when people pays large amounts of money for a car
    and then they expect to be god-like just because of the price paid.

    P.S. nobody forced him to buy such an expensive car. since he's complaining about the quality/price ratio.
     
  15. chp

    chp Formula Junior

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    That`s it. He should thank Lamborghini for building him such a save car. Otherwise he wouldn`t be alive anymore.

    By the way the accident happened quite some time ago, the wreck is sold and despite himself and may be some of his so called "friends" no one believes in a manufacturers failiure.

    As he is still very young he should learn from this, but I doubt he will.
     
  16. Fred2

    Fred2 F1 World Champ
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    The broken brake rotor may be the cause. It may explain the locked wheel, skidmark, turn to the right, etc IF it is on the right side of the car.
    I did not see confirmation on that on the site.
     
  17. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Aftermarket, larger wheel and tire packages are a definate no, no on an awd high performance car. yes they will work around town..but at higher speeds they cannot take the added stress. The handleing will get funky very fast, to the point of being uncontrolable. He is lucky to be alive..ah..what some people will do for "bling" to get attention..
     

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