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$116,000 for an engine block?

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by dstacy, Sep 6, 2007.

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  1. dstacy

    dstacy F1 World Champ
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  2. Napolis

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  3. Tspringer

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    Unless Ferrari Classiche is willing to recast said owner a new one for $75K or so including stamping the original numbers in it....




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  4. Napolis

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    There would still be that pesky little issue of that Classiche Stamp next to the numbers...
     
  5. Asian1118

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    seems like allot to me but Ive never restored a ferrari. Ill trust jim
     
  6. Napolis

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    The interesting issue is that a no stories 275 GTB 4 is worth 850K+
    What is one with a Classiche Block worth? (vrs. 850K) other things being equal?

    Mike Sheean touches on this in this months SCM
     
  7. Asian1118

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    good point I would think the value would still be very high, as the parts are coming straight from Ferrari molds that the originals were made from, and not a copied mold that someone else made.
     
  8. modmaki

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    look is still a block made out of alloy its not gold...real cost is subjective since ferrari parts aren't readly avaiable and do supply and demand,one can charge what ever thery can get a way with.....
     
  9. Chaos

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    does he think there would be a noticeable difference ???

    id would have thought that to most ppl as long as the engine was supplied by ferrari then they would be satisfied - however im not an expert like sheehan.
     
  10. Napolis

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    I would think an original block would be worth a lot more.

    I also think a period replacement block would be worth more.

    The end of this thread touches on this issue as to how it effects a 250 GTO.


    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162773
     
  11. Napolis

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    A very interesting issue. What do you think? I think there would be a noticeable difference. Personally it would matter to me.
    In the case of the GTO referenced above I think it would make an even bigger difference. I know it would to me.


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  12. Chaos

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    i think there are 2 classes of buyer (or maybe more)


    to the layman if the engine has come from ferrari and indeed they have issued a classiche certificate then that car would probably be considered to be virtually "no stories"

    to the more discerning type (such as fchat members) then its a cloudier issuse.
     
  13. Michael B

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    I paid $50,000 for an original Aston Martin DB6 block for a customer. This looks to be about right to me.
     
  14. El Wayne

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    From what I've seen in the past, I surmise that a non-original block detracts about 25% from the value of any one of these old cars. Considering what 4-Cams are trading for these days, I'd say the starting bid is more than fair. Interesting that the seller does not mention the s/n, though.
     
  15. Napolis

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    I wonder about that as well (s/n).

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  16. modmaki

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    please excuse the rookie comments ...but can some plese explain why an engine block shuould cost that much?
     
  17. Napolis

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    Only because the market will bear it. That said casting a new blocks as Classiche has isn't for the feint of wallet and original blocks are rare and original blocks that once were attached to a car you now own are rarer indeed.
     
  18. BigTex

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    I agree, why would the seller not seek to reattach it the original vehicle, if able?

    Seems like FleaBay is a shot in the dark, return wise........

    Of course, the original car could well be gone........
     
  19. superleggera

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    It's all about the all important serial number and do you want the car with the original serialized engine or not...

    When I was doing the restoration work @10 years ago, I know of a TR59/60 engine that was acquired for $1M by a possible customer as it matched the serial number of his TR59/60-spec racecar that had been acquired from Europe. The engine had seen better days -- but the all important serial number was correct. It was just the price of admission unfortunately to get the building blocks to make the Ferrari correct. I'd almost hate to see what the price would be today given the escalating prices of significant Ferrari racecars and how "correct" the concours judging has become. (Could a significant Ferrari -- even a racecar -- win a concours without matching #'s today?)
     
  20. TLKIZER660

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    If you click on Sellers Other Items, you'll see a 275 GTB/4 alloy body for sale. Coincidence? Sounds like an Italian "Thomassimo Shaughnessini" to me.
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  21. Asian1118

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    ahh I could see where having the original car minus the engine would play a key role in the price.
     
  22. Ken

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    I collect Morgan Dollars. An 1893 in MS 65 is worth about $8000. Add a little "S" mint mark to the back and it's worth 100 times that or more. What's the difference? It's just a little bit of metal. Well, it's a HUGE difference as the market will attest to. What's that engine block worth? It's worth whatever people will pay for it.

    Ken
     
  23. Bryanp

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    guys like Dick Merritt, whose basement at one time was literally full of Colombo and Lampredi engines, must either (1) go to their happy zen places or (2) clean their Smith & Wesson in a darkened room w/ a bottle of Jack D, when they think about what those derelict motors are worth today . . . .
     
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    I suspect that Classiche would produce an engine block for much less than $75k...I would think the price would be closer to $25k...
     
  25. shill288

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    If I remember right, I believe I was quoted $38K for a block for a Type 168 comp motor. I'm not sure how much it actually was from Ferrari, but that was price that evenutally was quoted to me through a Ferrari dealer.

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