1979 Porsche 930 (...and 78's too!)

The "turbo" is also lacking headlight squirters, correct outside mirrors and correct front spoiler. It also has aftermarket ac.

 

I always thought it was a long hood car converted to look like a turbo.

 

Doubt it was a long hood. Really doubt it.

Interior shots and exterior shots in movies are often different cars (or parts of cars).

The interior shot is often taken on a set with a car or partial car and a 'green screen' in front of the windshield. Then they add the 'movie' of what's happening in front of the car.


But... some of the early 75 turbos might have had a center speaker... they weren't phased out by Porsche until 74 or 75 (they continued for a couple years after the 74 short hood appeared).

...and it may be a Euro car (75); it has Euro taillights... (but US parking lights). But, shoot, I have Euro taillights that I put on my SC.

It also has Euro rear bumperettes (that only appeared on US cars in 74)... so I think it's a Grey Market Euro turbo -

It also has a third brake light that didn't appear from the factory until the late 80's...

 

Good point as the interior shots may be in a different car.

I also notice that at 8:08, there appears to be a different silver car (without the black front bumper strip)

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/930nomansland2.jpg

 

Motorcar Investor.com article that compares the Porsche 2.7 RS and 930 Turbo:

http://motorcarinvestor.com/porsche-2-7rs-and-930-turbo-compared/

Highest prices they list (at auction):

930, absolute record: 1976 Porsche 911 930 Turbo (ex-Steve McQueen) – chassis 9306800408 – sold for $137,500 on 16/08/2008 (Gooding, Pebble Beach)

For the ‘78/79 930: 1979 Porsche 930, chassis 9309800289 – sold for $62,500 on 3/17/2012 (Auctions America)

http://www.auctionsamerica.com/events/feature-lots.cfm?SaleCode=FL12&ID=r177&Order=alphabetical&feature=grouping=

 

the bill gates 79 sold for almost $80 at an auction in Austria earlier this year. same color as mine....

 

Good point. There have been a few that have sold for higher auction prices like this 18K ’79 that sold for $77K at Russo and Steele's 9th Annual Monterey Auction.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/930redsilver.jpg

 

Porsche 935 Le Mans winner featured on the cover of the August 1979 Porsche Panorama.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/pano1.jpg

Passage from the article:

“The day was surely Porsche’s, even if both of the factory 936’s had failed. Of 23 classified finishers, 12 were Porsches and nine of them were 935’s. Now that the 935 has won every sports car race worth winning, it must surely go down in history as one of the great sports cars of all times, right along with the Porsche 917.”

The article includes a photo of the Barbour teams pre-race 935's draped with large American flags. Opposite that page is a Momo steering wheel advertisement featuring Niki Lauda.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/pano2.jpg

 

Porsche 935 Le Mans winner on the cover of Autosport's 14 June 1979 issue. There’s also a full page advertisement celebrating Dunlop's 25th win at Le Mans.

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Cover photo caption:

“For the first time since 1965, when Jochen Rindt and Masten Gregory were victorious in their Ferrari 275LM, the Le Mans 24 Hours was won last weekend by a production-based car, one of the Kremer brothers’ incredible Porsche 935 turbos. Driven by Klaus Ludwig and the Americans Bill and Don Whittington (owners of the Road Atlanta race circuit in the USA), the 935 went so far ahead the favourites hit trouble that even a delay of over an hour could not rob them of victory. Photo: Jeff Bloxham.”

The caption is in error as a Ferrari 250LM won the 1965 24 Hours of Le Mans (vs. 275LM). Additionally, was the Ferrari 250LM a production-based car?

The issue’s classified section has some interesting cars for sale. They include a 1974 Porsche Carrera 3.0 liter lightweight for 16,750 pounds, ’69 Porsche 911s for 2,500 pounds, a ’70 911s for 3,750 pounds, and a ’78 Porsche 928 for 14,950 pounds. In 1979, a '78 928 was only 2,000 pounds less than a '74 Carrera RS 3.0. I guess 1979 was indeed a very long time ago!

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/autos2.jpg

 

a p car shop in atlanta gets old blaupunkts restored. i asked him who restores them and he said "ray in California restores these for all of the 356 and 912 guys. His number is 814 378 8526".

maybe he has some knobs for you.

 

I was finally able to locate a new “older” stock 930 559 317 01 turbo badge (private purchase, not from a Porsche parts website). This NOS badge is dated 03.04.97 and is the correct badge for the ’76-77 930. It is quite a bit smaller than the later badges with the leg of the “b” measuring at 22mm vs. 27mm and overall length 12cm vs. 13 cm. The alignment posts have the same separation so either type of badge will fit a ’76-79 930. In addition to the smaller size and different script, the early badge has a flat vs. semi-gloss black finish.

Not sure why Porsche changed the 317 01 turbo badge in the later production runs (see example at link below dated 2008) but the ’76-77 930’s should have the smaller turbo badge.

From the photographs, it’s clear that the 930 in the ‘78 U.S. Porsche brochure was equipped with the earlier 317 01 turbo badge. It’s possible that Porsche made a series of pre-production 3.3 liter cars like they did for the 3 liter 930’s and 928’s. There’s an excellent link on the first production 928 on Rennlist (see link below) so perhaps the first VINs of the ’78 930’s were also pre-production cars. If so, they probably have some other interesting differences besides just the early 317 01 turbo badge.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/turbobadgeoem1.jpg

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/turbobadgeoem2.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/928-forum/594552-77-78-porsche-928-number-six-preproduction-press-car-updated-10-21-12-a.html

 

I don't think there would be enough heat to impact an aluminum turbo badge. My guess is that it is from some sort of force on the badge (cloth caught during waxing, etc.). That area on the turbo badge should be easy to bend back into position as it's left of the left side mounting post.

I've wondered about a turbo badge on a black car such as yours. Were they also available in silver or a lighter shade (vs. black). If so, what are part numbers for the lighter shade turbo badges as they are not listed in the Porsche PET?

 

More evidence of preproduction 3.3 liter 930’s. In the ’78 911 SC turbo brochure, there’s a photograph of a U.S. 930 (mph speedometer) with a 1.5 bar boost gauge. The 930 is not a ’77 3 liter model as it has a 3.3 liter center console. On the brochure’s next page, there’s another photograph of a 1 bar boost gauge with a wide red-line mark that was not fitted to production ’78-79 930’s. There’s an absolute dearth of information on these early 3.3 liter 930’s. Are any of them survivors?

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/78pre1.jpg

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/78pre2.jpg

 

Does anyone have the November 1975 issue of "Motor" magazine that tests the 930 Turbo? I'd love to get a scanned copy (or at least a photograph of the performance summary at the end of the article).
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My understanding is the badges were black anodized as well (just like the window trim) and so fade over time with sun exposure to a purple/black/brown hue and eventually lose their color all together and become a light gray/silverish color.

 

Joe may have posted this on the 3-liter thread.

 

Got to thinking that perhaps the interior photo in the ’78 brochure was actually of a ’77 930 with a 1.5 bar boost gauge since it’s difficult to see the center console in the photo (’77 center console is unique to all years of the 930).

However, looking at a side-by-side comparison of the dash from the ’77 and ’78 brochures, all the instruments in the '78 brochure (oil temp, pressure, etc.) are in fact correct for a 3.3 liter 930 (except for the 1.5 bar boost tachometer).

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/78pre3.jpg

 

it is caused by excessive speed

 

Amazing what you can see with an optical loupe. For the ’79 brochure, Porsche used the same interior photo of the cloth seat-insert U.S. 930 from the ’78 brochure. They adjusted the contrast of the photo and then added artwork on the negative/photo (they didn’t have Photoshop back in ’79) to reflect a 1 bar boost gauge and updated the redline at 6200 RPM. The '79 brochure uses the same interior photo as '78 brochure as you can make out the mileage on both odometers at 2433 miles.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/78pre4.jpg

The redline matches with the other tach photo in the ’79 brochure. They went to all the trouble to update the photograph with artwork for the 1 bar boost gague and then matched the redline in the other photo even though this tach, with 6200 RPM redline was never put into 930 production – amazing.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/78pre5.jpg

The ’78 and ’79 owner’s manuals are exactly the same except the ’78 has a burgundy cover and ‘79 a blue cover. The ’78 manuals were printed in 11/77 and by this time, they correctly updated the tach redline with the narrow strip just prior to 7000 RPM.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/78pre7.jpg

If there are preproduction ’78 930 survivors, look for easy visual cues such as a 1.5 bar boost gauge, tachometer with 6200 redline, and early turbo badge. It makes me wonder if perhaps there is credence to the rumor that the very early ’78 930’s were equipped with 917 ATE calipers. Only time will tell if any of these cars have survived. It’s heartening that at least two of the preproduction 928’s have survived from the posts on Rennlist.

 

Mang, this ’79 is no comparison to yours but it also has a possessed turbo badge. Some pretty hard “61K miles” on this 930 (link below)!

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/79bh930.jpg

http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1979-porsche-930--c-1283.htm