1979 Porsche 930 (...and 78's too!)

Can anyone tell me what the other numbers are for on the paint tag?

I have 936-9-3

I know 936 is for Silver metalic but what is the 9-3 ?

Also is my paint color a base/clear or is is a single stage paint?


And does anyone have a photo(link) of the tool kit and any other items would have come with the car when it was new. Not worried if something might be missing I just want to be sure what to look for.

Thanks

jp

 

I believe the other numbers refer to the paint origin/manufacture.

If you scroll through the ’79 930 auction photos at the link below, you'll see a photo of the tool kit and air compressor in the trunk.

Congrats on your purchase.

http://www.auctionsamerica.com/events/feature-lots.cfm?SaleCode=FL12&ID=r177&Order=alphabetical&feature=grouping=

 

Another photo of the '78 (or '79) light blue metallic 930, plate S-DS 6511. Interesting as this photo is not in the 1980 ROW brochure.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/auto-clasico-mallorca/4609445224/sizes/l/in/photostream/

 

The guards red 930 in the ’78 Porsche brochure was equipped with front plate: “F-P 911”. In the brochure, this same plate was on a 911 SC Targa so perhaps this was a temporary tag.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/fp911.jpg

 

Royal blue with blue interior:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkblackcars/6112851419/sizes/l/in/photostream/

This may be oak green metallic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21532948@N04/2842165309/sizes/l/in/photostream

 

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Interesting - On their Classic website under Classic News, Porsche has identified approved tires for several early models including the early 3.3 liter 930’s. Go to the link below and download the PDF file near the bottom of the page.

http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessoriesandservices/classic/news/classicnews/?pool=uk&id=2011-06-15-classic

 

Nice chart – there are still a few tires available for the 7/8 x 16’s.

 

930,

I’ve been looking into the engine and transmission numbers for the ’79 930 and how they may help us verify that there were actually 1190 (vs. 1200) 930’s made for the ’79 model year.

I believe the 1995 Porsche Family Tree booklet has the correct breakout of engine numbers for the U.S. ’79 model year. The booklet has 850, 49-state engines (930/64) and 374, California engines (930/63).

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/7879engines.jpg

Andreas Gabriel’s new 911 Turbo book has the 49-state engines at 850 (listed as North America in his chart but I believe Canada had a ROW engine number) but has 347, California engines. I believe this is a typo in his book (transposed the 4 and 7) and there were actually 374 engines produced (as listed in the PCA Family Tree booklet). The “347” number is probably what led to the statement in his book that the ’79 U.S. Turbo did not have sufficient numbers of engines for the chassis numbers (assuming there were 1200 produced, 347+850 = 1197).

By looking at the last 50, ’79 930’s produced, I believe we can have some insight to verify the chassis numbers.

Engines
’79 chassis 1155 has an engine number of 6891366 (930/63, California) and my car, ’79 chassis 1164 has an engine of 6890807 (930/64). Let’s assume that 1155 was the first California chassis number of the last 50 ’79 930’s. With an engine number of “366”, it would indicate that 8 more California engines were made during the ’79 production run (367 to 374) - total of 9 California engines. If this is a correct assumption, then 41, 49-state engines were made during the last 50 ’79 production run. This correlates with the fact that my engine number is 807 and at least 41 additional 49-state cars were made during the last 50 production run. This also lends credence that the fact that engine numbers may not necessarily be in sequence to the chassis numbers. What is not clear is why Porsche made an extra 34 engines during the U.S. ’79 production run unless, as you stated, they made a few extra to account for damaged or out-of-spec engines

Transmissions
’79 930 transmissions were the same for U.S. and ROW so by looking at the total production, we should get an idea of number of chassis numbers. If we assume the chassis numbers started at "0011”, here’s the ’79 930 production numbers (per Michael Cotton’s 911 Turbo book):

ROW – 810 (809 in his book but this is a typo per chassis numbers he has listed)
Japan – 22
U.S - 1190
Total – 2022

’79 chassis 1155 has a transmission number 7791842 and my car, ’79 chassis 1164 has a transmission number 7791977. My car’s transmission “1977” and is only 45 units shy of the total 930 production (assuming 2022 were made with chassis # starting at “0011”). This is sufficient for 2022 chassis numbers but if you assume 2052 were made (chassis numbers started at "0001" for ROW, Japan and U.S.), there are not enough transmissions for ’79 chassis numbers. This still doesn’t answer the question as to why 34 extra U.S. engines were made but only 3 extra transmissions were made. Additionally, I'm not sure why 1155 has such an early transmission number but perhaps it was a replacement or the California engines were assembled earlier than the 49-state cars for the last 50 production.

I believe that these engine and chassis numbers help verify that the production chassis numbers for ’79 930’s started at “0011” (per Michael Cotton’s 911 Turbo book and Bruce Anderson’s, 911 Performance Handbook). They are many conflicting sources on this subject but by looking at more engine and transmission numbers, I believe we can solve the mystery for the '75-79 930's.

 

There are interesting and useful items pertaining to the early cars on the Classic website.

Neat Oak Green early snorkel LHD '78-'79 930 without Shark Fins and right Mirror;
http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessoriesandservices/classic/gallery/gallery/?gtabindex=3&gitemindex=6

AND of course the Porsche Classic Genuine Parts Catalogs (Porsche PET) that can be downloaded as a PDF file;
http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessoriesandservices/classic/genuineparts/originalpartscatalogue/

 

’78 930, chassis number 9308700011 (oak green metallic with cork interior). Flickr photo description: “1st 1978 production car sold. Euro model, No sunroof”.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/waynesco1/3603762600/sizes/l/in/photostream/

It would be interesting to know the engine number for “0011” since “0012” was fitted with what appears to be the first production 3.3 liter engine:

“Fitted with the first 3.3 turbo made by the factory, engine number is 6780001.”

http://www.art-restoration.eu/galerie/voitures/930-33-turbo/37

http://www.art-restoration.eu/en/voitures-select-developpe.php?id=6

More Porsche 930 secrets?

 

’78 930 at the Rallye Monte-Carlo Historique 2012.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asphotosports/6786283332/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/spykoption/5671639683/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/anhn_hehn/7151262355/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mehow911/5416688633/sizes/l/in/photostream/

 

The published ‘79 US 930 engine totals do seem like a very large number of extra engines and a huge amount of inventory to tie up. Andreas' 347 930/64 total would sure be a better fit as it would make the total '79 US requirement only 7 over (assuming 1190 produced). When I did my original analysis I got fairly close but for now I quess we’ll just have to rely on the Porsche based numbers.

 

Agree the engine numbers seem high for the U.S. ’79 model year. 1979 was a unique year for 930 production as U.S. ’79’s continued to be built at the same time '80 ROW and Japan 930’s were built. In Peter Morgan’s “Original Porsche 911” book and Patrick Paternie’s “Porsche 911 Red Book”, they mention that Japan’s '80 930 engine, 930/65, were the same as the ’79, 930/64 for 49-state. Perhaps a block of 930/64 extra engines could have been used for Japan’s 1980 930’s. With ’79 chassis number 1155’s engine at #366, it’s seems more likely to me that the California engines stopped at 374 (vs. 347 in Andreas’ book).

 

Another ’78 930 in rally trim. Color looks like copper brown metallic.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tautaudu02/7636328492/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tautaudu02/7636333720/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tautaudu02/7636331780/sizes/l/in/photostream/

 

’79 930, plate F-L J 8 in the June 1979 Christophorus magazine. Note the ROW reflectors left and right of the large U.S. bumpers. This could be a ’79 930 made for Japan (22 made) since these cars shared a few features with the U.S. 930's (same engine specs, emissions, safety, etc.).

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/chrisjune79_zpse13f3613.jpg

 

1979 930
Paint to Sample "Blood Orange"
4,800 documented original miles
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Awesome '79 930! More photos. Tell us more.

 

The original owner of this car was at one time the largest Porsche collector in the U.S (Dr. Bill Jackson). His collection consisted of very historic race cars as well as road cars. He had a '76 and a '78 930 that were specially ordered in "Blood Orange" to match one of his early race cars. We he heard that the 930 was being discontinued for the U.S. he ordered this one to match his others and just stored it.

I purchased the car from Weldon Scrogham in 2002 who specializes in significant Porsches and is who put the whole Drendel collection together.

The car is all stock. It is number 544. Its a hard color to photograph because sometimes it looks red but in person its more orange. It was a Porsche color from 1969-72. The color is also known as Tangerine.
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Very cool color – is it similar to “continental orange” on this 934, chassis number 9306700540?

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/1976-porsche-934-turbo-rsr-fia-gr-4-ar128998.html

 

Its very similar to Continental Orange. Tangerine has a little more red in it.
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9306700540 was one of my old 934s. We got it from the museum that purchased the car from the original owner. It had just 10K kilometers or so from new on her when we finally closed the deal to purchase her. The paint was original and nearly perfect with just a few stone chips up front. It had been stored indoors most of its life, so no UV damage, fading or shrinkage. Even the car's fiberglass panel parts were still in great shape.

Continental Orange is very, very different from Blood Orange which is also different from the early tangerine. None of these various shades photograph well and easily wash out and appear more red. Tangerine looks the most orange and flat. The Blood orange leans a bit more towards red. Continental Orange is very hard to describe and it is also a transitional color looking different in light, shade and in the dark. In bright natural light it almost looks metallic. In the dark it appears nearly all red. I would assume it would be a very, very hard color to paint and get right.

As a side note... of the many and varied 930, 934, 935s etc... that have come my way over the past 25 years, none were more original or correct as delivered new than this 934. I hope who ever has her now fully appreciates what an incredible piece of Porsche history this GR/4 road/racer is!

Any chance someone here knows her current owner? I would like to provide them my original purchase notes and a photo CD of my inspection images and stay in contact going forward.

Cheers,

Bill

 

The word 'Tangerine' is the english word used to describe 6809 Orange and Blutorange in the Factory publications. After '70 the two words can be used for the same color.

Paint codes on Glasurit for 6809 and 018 have different mixes (the % and base colors are different) but they are both essentially identical and are Tangerine.

 

All I can say is ..... 'Wow'! Really really nice ......