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I think what this sale shows is a 930 market continuing it's transition from used-car status, where mileage and original condition are paramount, to collector car status, where pristine re-manufactured perfection is the ideal (still the norm, despite the barn-find/time capsule them currently fashionable.) $200K is a good starting place estimate for a 'total restoration' on just about any car; adjust up or down depending on specifics. Depending on the seller's cost basis for the original chassis, $230K may actually represent only modest profit...
Looks like a $130-150k car to me, wierd that is was California emmision car when Holbert's dealership was in Pennsylvania. Phil
Agreed - Until I saw an 11+K '87 930 sell at $220,000 and a slat at $300.000+ in the same auction. Dealers swap cars all the time. 930's were a very hot commodity by mid-1979 in the USA. Possible he bartered with a buddy on the west coast. JMTC .
Dealers swap cars all the time. 930's were a very hot commodity by mid-1979 in the USA. Possible he bartered with a buddy on the west coast. I've owned a couple of late serial # 1979, one did not sell until 1981 and he other in 1980. I have heard that the late serial # cars were being marked up substantially as it was know that car was no longer going to be available in US. Phil
Yes, exactly. 1979 NA 930's were smokin' hot by the time #608 hit the States. The L/T to order one was 9 months. Don't know what Holbert might have had left in unspoken for '79 930's at that point. But, if he thought the time to get one for himself was "now or never" the only option he may have had was to get a car that was not originally part of his allotment (swap, barter, pay another buddy dealer). Thus, a California 930. Just thinking?
This was the third time that the car came up for sale at RM. The last time was in 2008 for $40,700 and once before that in early 2000 for around $38k.
my 79 #632 was shipped to and sold by Holbert according tothe window sticker. i would like to think Hobert at least had driven it. Maybe he used it as his personal car and sold it as a demo and decided to get #608 for himself. at the end of the year.
I know for a fact that Holbert had some very late '79 930 turbos. I knew the owner of one that was delivered in 1980. I was told by a gentleman who worked at Holberts since the early 1970's that he had the last one, that the color was specially ordered to match his early race cars. The color the car was ordered in was Albert Blue because it closely matched the Sunoco blue color that was on his RSR and 934. He kept the car for a short time and the car was sold to a friend of his.
Along with the 2015 Amelia Island auctions, Classic Driver Magazine article, the 1979 930 gets further press in a new Hagarty article posted yesterday (see paragraph 3). Amelia Island Auctions - Amelia Island Photo Gallery | Hagerty Articles .
It's pretty amazing how derivative all these articles are- a couple of sales a one auction will trigger a fusillade of articles that don't really say very much. Phil
I would love to see photos of the 1979 in Albert Blue...perhaps someday it will surface. It could have been the last 1979 to leave the factory since it was PTS and delayed on the assembly line. It probably has a chassis number in sequence to 1155, 1156 and 1157 that were PTS and all had 12/79 VIN decals. For the last 50 1979's, it appears that Porsche kept the hidden tub production numbers in sequence to the chassis numbers so it may be impossible to determine which 1979 was actually the last to leave the factory.
So, Porsche people don't like repaints. (I'm sure plenty don't but its been said specifically to me like that) I know plenty of car guys that scoff at a repaint. I get it but me I don't mind if its done right. What exactly does a repaint do to the value in your eyes guys, if you have identical cars what is the discount for a repaint? I guess its for the buyers to decide really. Perhaps the people buying now are not concerned with original paint and original Leather original German air in the tires and so on. Most people don't worry about a engine rebuild or a transmission rebuild if done right. Maybe some concern based on why it was done, yet we all know mileage isn't always a sign of how the car was treated. Many change hands and until resently the 930's were just another used car. One a lot of people hot rodded to have fun with. I am not sure on my car if I am getting low balled or if I am delusional that it should bring some more money. Not anywhere near $200K who knows its what someone is willing to pay. Some woman payed 180 or 190K for a 355 convertible one of the last Fiorano cars. A handleing package? its not worth that kind of money. But watch all of the Fcars hit ebay in a few weeks all asking over 100K. I had a offer of $87K for my silver 79 the other day and it doesn't have original paint. I said no of course. My car is a driver its fun but not perfect by any means. I'd trade it for a Diablo.
Phrogs, It is not Porsche people who do not like repaints, it is all car people. Good original paint will always beat a repaint. Good repaints are nice, but there is potential with repaint to hide stuff, accident damage, rust, etc. With original paint anybody can till it has never been hit or repaired in any way. There really is no way to quantify the effect of a repaint because there are too many variables.
Many valuable cars @ important car shows( pebble etc) are restored and repainted. If prior damage is a main concern hire someone who can tell. Best place to inspect is from underneath. A high quality repaint can easily have a better finish than any original factory paint, which is similar to having something nearing perfection. Sure original paint can remove doubt of prior damage or misuse, but at what price? How many original paint 30+ year old cars are really concours show quality anymore? I do not have a resto shop so that is not the reason for my comment/observation.
You obviously missed how I typed it, or I wasn't good in my description, I know it's not just porsche people. I also disagree on your claim that with original paint anyone can tell it hasn't been in a accident and so on. That's the disillusion when someone hears "original paint" they go oh it's never had anything happen to it. When in reality most people can't tell ****. They think they can but without having hands on the car and being a expert on that car it's hard to tell. Especially when a lot of potential buyers can't find the oil dip stick or how to do basic maintenance. I don't think they are knowlegible to know if a car was wreck. They might think they do. And they can use whatever they want as a reason to buy or pass on a car. But repaint doesn't mean it was in a accident either ( I have heard that gem more than once in my life) the oh it's been painted ?? So it's been in a accident.. But it's not "everyone" Plenty of people want that fresh new paint look. Or they understand some cars have been in accidents and fixed or repainted. So please don't say "everyone" like eveyone doesn't watch football. I know and I'm not delusional, most cars of this vintage are no longer with us, how many cars from 1979 are still here?? Not many we needed new toasters recycling is a *****, and when you have those special cars that have survived through the years most have had paint work of some type for whatever reason. It's really crazy to think otherwise, you should accept the fact that there are painters out there that you can't tell it's been painted. Factory paint is far from perfect!! Anything that wins at pebble beach haha I have high doubts is original paint no matter what the make and model. What I expect is a car to have been fixed properly and painted correctly if it was done. Not half ass taped edges and what not. Strip the body down that's the way to do it. One previous owner called my 79 930 paint beautiful and perfect paint flawless may have been used. (I could see issues in the digital photos) It's a crap repaint I know this after really looking it over. No accident damage just a repaint. But different people are full of crap when describing paint. His version of perfect and my version of perfect are very very different. I am a paint and body guy I know how the real world works I also know some people hate rock chips and road rash. And it detracts from the cars over all looks so they will get it fixed. And that turns Into a blend of the paint and a true pain. I also know if a guy walked into a body shop and said paint my porsche the body shop will gladly take his money all of it they can! Most buyers really don't know what to look for when checking for paint work. You know that's true. As for Original paint claims ?? only if it's the original owner and that's still a stretch until you check it out. I have no idea who or when my 930 was painted, I have no paperwork from its first 10,000 miles. All photos I have of it were after it was painted so a few owners back it had already been painted, so it's impossible for me to know when. I said "porsche people" because it was funny when it was said to me, I was thinking I know most people deep down inside want original paint, doesn't matter what car they are buying original paint commands a "premium" very few actually get it. It made me chuckle. Most people claim original paint I have my doubts.
