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Discussion in '365 GT4 2+2/400/412' started by Schumi, Feb 5, 2020.

  1. Schumi

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  2. pilotoCS

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  3. markcF355

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    Some is wrong with hydraulics. Probably the accumulators.
     
  4. SouthJersey400i

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    Mine is like that until motor is running; it comes up in a short time.
    Ken
     
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  5. markcF355

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    Ken, does it bang hard when you go over a bump?
     
  6. ONSilver

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    My 412 also goes lower at the rear when parked, but as soon as the engine is started, returns to normal ride height and stays there. Never concerned me. No bangs or noises, rides smoothly. Am having the rear shocks rebuilt and serviced as well as the central control arm for the hydraulics, as there are slight leaks from the shocks, so should be even better when completed. Wanted to keep the all-original component instead of going to coil overs.

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  7. SouthJersey400i

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    No banging on bumps.
     
  8. steved033

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    all those cars are BHCC cars.

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  9. dstacy

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    if “yes” then what?
     
  10. SouthJersey400i

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    No banging on bumps so no action needed for me.
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  11. christc

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    If they sink that low and raise when started accumulators are gone. Membran inside is faulty and/ or gas in sphere has escaped.
    BR
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  12. christc

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    ? Would interest me too
     
  13. SouthJersey400i

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    I am not sure I agree with you. I believe there is a check valve in the level adjusting circuit and it can leak back to the reservoir over several hours or a more than a day which will lower the level. If the accumulators are gone (broken bladder) and the ride comes up to level, that means the accumulators are full of LIQUID (no gas) and ride would be very harsh at the rear. My ride is not hash.
    Ken
     
  14. dstacy

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    Absolutely correct Ken.
     
  15. christc

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    #15 christc, Feb 12, 2020
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    Hi Ken,

    mine sank to the ground with engine of after a few hours. I changed the accumulators. It now stays at the same height with the engine off and does not sink as in the pictures shown. Self levelling system works perfect now.

    Christopher
     
  16. dstacy

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    Christopher, would you mind telling me which accumulators did you use and where did you get them?
     
  17. christc

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    ...and just to clarify I meant the prefiled gas inside the accumulator, not the liquid of the system.

    Cheers
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  18. christc

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    Hi Dave,

    I was told that there is a ‘specialist’ exactly replicating them in Germany. I ordered two to find out that they are the Mercedes accumulators others used but for a higher price. Not satisfying and I had to rework them to be satisfied. I would recommend to order the Mercedes units. With two adapters for the hose connection and a simple bracket they can be easily adapted.
    Christopher
     
  19. raemin

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    On Citroën cars, these could be as low as 25€! There are plenty of these available with quite a few after-market suppliers :

    https://www.mister-auto.com/spheres-accumulateur-de-suspension/mercedes-benz/
    (This online supplier belongs to PSA group i.e owner of the patents related to these types of suspensions, so they have plenty of these, do not ship overseas though)
     
  20. christc

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    Yes. That is a reasonable price and with little effort you have a conversion:
    - remove brackets from mercedes unit
    - take the brackets from your old units and weld it to new taking care not to heat the membran bowl to much
    - close the side outlets with two mandrel screws using thread sealant
    - buy two plugs for main connection with fitting thread and drill and tap it to except hydraulic lines

    BR
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  21. SouthJersey400i

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    I accept the cylinders may very well solve most similar problems, even mine! I have saved your part posting for a future R&R job if I am convinced I need a solution to only a small annoyance now.
    Having owned an E55 AMG track car, I got real familiar with Pelican parts. They offer three choices; here is link to the middle priced one (price each not two):
    https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/1403280515M36.htm?pn=140-328-05-15-M36&bt=Y&fs=0&SVSVSI=W210
    Pelican has the OEM part for about $30 more.
    The Parts Geek offering is the low priced one but still $100+ from Pelican.
    The Euro price for two makes cheaper if shipping doesn't kill it. I like Pelican for parts and service.
    Ken
     
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  22. raemin

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    I'd rather buy the type with the side bracket. That's less soldering trouble, that compensate for the additional shipping costs from Europe.


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  23. christc

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    Agree. Much better. There are different types of mountings worth comparing.
     

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